Subj : Resend Re: Covid-19 was: To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Fri Jun 12 2020 09:56:00 Subject: Resend Re: Covid-19 was: Miss.RvrDam Hi Nancy! NB> Original Date: 01 Jun 20 13:58:27 NB> Subj: Re: Covid-19 was: Miss.RvrDam -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=- BM>> And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the BM>> Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots BM>> with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling. NB>> Not much comfort at this point, but when they get to be our age, NB>> they'll look back and see that they had a unique place in history... NB>> like others that missed out on certain things because of world wars NB>> or other pandemics..... BM> Hindsight does tend to make most things less nasty. A big graduation BM> ceremony and party is probably high on the importance list at the time BM> but the importance level decreases as time goes on. I do think it BM> should be honoured in some way and am glad for the 'pop-up' BM> celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare: BM> not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week". BM> I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative BM> festivity helps: "I can do something". NB> That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, but NB> everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a NB> little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a NB> mitigating factor... Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for various Iowa- side high schools graduations. (The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.) BM>> Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance / BM>> zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I BM>> don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this BM>> situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is BM>> required. NB>> Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of NB>> second-guessing after the fact... BM> Right: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and BM> computer models. It acts similar to which has a BM> history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' BM> attitude there are times to back down and follow. NB> Especially, if the "or Die" is a distinct possibility to follow NB> from Living Free as well.... In most situations I'd probably give up some freedom in order to live. BM>> For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I BM>> agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not BM>> going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to BM>> settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I BM>> wasn't a crowd person before. NB>> Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too.. BM> I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too BM> uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience BM> or gathering. NB> Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... NB> There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, NB> and that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green NB> light... She's put me at the top of her list... It almost NB> happened Saturday, but then she found out she couldn't reopen NB> yet, after all... Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list: probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also probably a good/nice client. :) BM> And throw up there the "don't stop learning" thing. Everything is BM> evolving, so changing, and one needs to change with it. Not BM> necessarily 100% go with the flow, but embrace, though maybe at a bit BM> of a distance. (That sounds like the set-up to a COVID-19 six-foot BM> joke!) NB> Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it NB> works why change' part.... :) Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!! NB>>> Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aisles NB>>> anyway... BM>> Bigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more BM>> practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the BM>> mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee. NB>> I think the bigger carts at BJ's are mostly because things are NB>> generally in bulk there anyway... I'm perfectly capable of only NB>> filling up the child-seat area of the cart, if there's not much I NB>> need there for that shopping trip... ;) BM> Right. I like the smaller carts are Hy-Vee because easier to maneuver BM> plus get items in an out: don't have to drop them in the void or dig BM> out the pit when checking out. There have been times when I should BM> have used a large/standard-sized cart. NB> Bj's only has the one size cart, which is larger than the grocery NB> large carts... At Wegmans, we use the large/standard cart for our NB> weekly shopping since we know we'll have room to put everything, NB> even when also shopping some for someone else... but if we're in NB> there for just a few things, I'll use the smaller cart... I'll NB> use some sort of cart in any case, just to have the support of NB> the "walker".... :) Right: I prefer some sort of cart over a basket because I don't have to carry a cart: just shove it around on it's four wheels. At the grocery store they offer the option of two cart sizes: I'm pretty much there weekly and not needing the larger size, though there have been a few times.... As for the walker -- sort of use that trick too: in winter could slip on a slushy spot. And as I prefer the small cart over the larger if I get one from the outside cart corral I know I have one. Not really in short supply but sometimes were none in inside. (And lately I have been wiping the handle with hand sanitizer.) BM>> And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the BM>> remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have BM>> found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes BM>> in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no BM>> supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed. NB>> Yeah, I think the days of the hoarding runs are past us now... :) But NB>> the supply train has been disrupted now in various instances... With NB>> meat packing plants shutting down for COVID issues, that's disrupted NB>> some of the meat supplies... BM> Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty BM> squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've BM> mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is BM> reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite BM> sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the BM> hoarding. NB> Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not NB> quite fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the NB> cleaning supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers... Yes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the one-way aisles signage.) They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them. BM> Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a BM> supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna BM> casserole, pizza, frozen meals. NB> Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or NB> frozen, as long as one has room to stock, one can do some NB> stockpiling... I have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of NB> tuna fish to donate at church to a local food pantry that had NB> asked for help.... but at our store, there seems to be a pretty NB> good supply of tunafish... :) Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a few large holes rather quickly! The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual travel direction (pre- one-way aisles). BM>>> Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for BM>>> now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less BM>>> confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do BM>>> want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction), BM>>> then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the BM>>> aisle I was in previously...... NB>>> We all make our accomodations to make the complications less NB>>> confusing in our own minds... ;) BM>> At this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the BM>> one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle. NB>> Indeed. :) BM> Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone BM> getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by BM> going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some BM> have simply overlooked it. NB> I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, NB> obviously distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out NB> shopping, and pushing one of those big carts.... I think she NB> might not have seen the floor markings for the one-way aisles, NB> even though they are large red squares on the floor now... A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need. I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins. Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the listing - got my raisins! :) ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... Take the lemons and make lemonade! Take the salmon and make salmonella! --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .