Subj : Re: Y2K again..? To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Sat May 30 2020 17:04:06 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 16-May-2020 08:25 <=- BM>>>>> We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it BM>>>>> better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest, NB>>>>> Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new spells NB>>>>> is a major goodness... :) BM>>>> True! And sometimes with the new they took away an option used by a BM>>>> Magic Spell so no longer works. May be 'new' but for that option not BM>>>> an 'improved'. BM>>> Appears 'improved' is a consideration by the individual. NB>>> And sometimes merely in the mind of the merchandiser... ;) BM>>> Well it is 'new' to both and 'improved' the bottom line of the BM>>> manufacturer! NB>> Only if enough of the individuals buy it.... ;) BM> Very true. Initial sales might spike but if there are minimal repeat BM> sales that probably means back to the drawing board. Unless they get enough initial sales to make a profit.... of course the bug reports might give them some pause... ;) BM>>> up by the time I got around to Zipdrives being useful thumbdrives were BM>>> available and easier to use. Here generally transferred or moved BM>>> large files using the network (LAN). NB>>> And you had newer computers that could use thumbdrives... I think my NB>>> newest laptop might have a USB port for using a thumbdrive.... NB>>> otherwise I've not had that capability anyway... :) BM>> And there are other ports which will allow the transfer of data in to BM>> and from the computer: trying to think of the name of the one for BM>> external hard drives (no, the other one from 'USB'!), not to mention BM>> good ol' Serial and Parallel! ...LISB4, all depends on need. Plus a BM>> bit of preference and compatibility mixed in! NB>> Which is why (all the various factors) I usually leave that all to the NB>> Wizard to deal with... ;) BM> Around here similar: updates can be done because of 'training BM> sessions' on what to do or not to do (looks different - check with me). BM> And you might be slightly advanced: I don't think thumbdrives have BM> been used. You are talking about someone else's computer use there....? NB>>>> I use it when traveling, mostly... Back in the bad old days, I'd use NB>>>> it to be reading the day before's packet while spending all evening NB>>>> downloading the new message packet(s)... BM>>> Yup: I used to spend an hour or so transferring the BBS packet. Now BM>>> it's a few seconds! ...There are files which still take an hour or BM>>> so, though rarely. NB>>> Yup, it's only a few seconds here as well for the packets... And I'm NB>>> not dealing with those huge files that might take an hour or more... :) BM>> No operating system ISO's?! NB>> Not for me... those are Definitely the province of the Wizard...! ;) BM> If you're doing ISO's you're probably more advanced than you're BM> letting on! Nope, not doing ISO's... I only know of them from Richard's mentioning them... and somewhat only a hazy notion of what they are.... BM>> Which reminds me: I was thinking Ubuntu BM>> 20.04 should be out by now (current long-term is 18.04). ...Released BM>> April 23rd, it is long-term support.... No real reason to BM>> upgrade other than may take care of a few minor annoyances, which per BM>> Ky seem to be more an issue with the hardware. NB>> Check it out in a Virtual Machine...? Of course, that might not NB>> show how it deals with the hardware.... ;) BM> Based on my limited experience with Virtual Machines installing BM> Ubuntu 20.04 (actually upgrading a VM of 18.04 to 20.04 to replicate BM> what I'd be doing) should give a decent feel of what would be happening BM> with the 'real' machine. The main problem would be the Virtual Machine BM> is slower as doesn't have full access to the RAM plus 'everything' is BM> from the hard drive (the VM is sort of like a partition). Never used a VM myself, just hear it talked about various places... ;) BM>>> Yes, if just the two of you no need to buy even a small turkey -- BM>>> leftovers for next Thanksgiving! The drumsticks would be enough and BM>>> enough of the 'turkey' feeling. We've done Cornish Game Hens: festive, BM>>> something different, easy to cook, and no to one leftover meal. NB>>> I don't think we've ever done them, but I have bought them in the NB>>> past on request when buying for someone else... :) BM>> Maybe you and Richard can try some day -- buy when on sale, which BM>> currently may be a while due to the food processing plants issues. NB>> Possibility some day.... ;) BM> I might be keeping an eye open currently: Hy-Vee is having a frozen BM> Food Sale (yesteday and today) with everything 10% off and so the BM> Cornish Game Hen is probably included. And did you pick up a couple....? I noticed them in the fresh meat section last week... but not what I wanted to get... don't think I even noted the price.... :) BM> BM>> For us the freezer light is a 'plus' and not a requirement; BM>> refrigerator light is almost a requirement but not quite: I could rig BM>> up one relatively easily. NB>> Generally now, the fridge light is pretty much standard.... I'd NB>> actually be surprised to find a full-sized fridge that didn't have NB>> that... I guess I've seen ones in hotel rooms and such that don't have NB>> the light, but they are small anyway... BM> Yes, we bought a bare-bones upright refrigerator-freezer for the BM> basement for storage and it has a light in the refrigerated section. BM> I think the under-counter refrigerator at the hotel room did; don't BM> recall: I stored my cheese and crackers in there and that was up BM> front. (Crackers didn't need to be refrigerated, just kept the two BM> together.) Makes sense to keep together, especially in that setting... and unless it was dark in the room you'd not necessarily notice a light in the fridge.... :) NB>>> Soon after we moved into this house, we bought a full-sized upright NB>>> freezer which we put in the basement... we also buy a lot of frozen NB>>> or to be frozen food... and years ago, I also bought a lot of veggies NB>>> and fruits to freeze and put up for the winter... haven't done that NB>>> recently though... I did green and wax beans, broccoli, cauliflower, NB>>> blueberries, strawberries... don't remember what else.... BM>> We've almost bought a full-sized upright freezer several times. Once BM>> we thought the little under-the-counter freezer died; ended up the fix BM>> was to just move the thermostat knob a bit - apparently got stuck in BM>> the open position. A couple of times the "let's get the kitchenette BM>> finished" and of course a But First wandered in and sat down...... NB>> Funny how that works out... IIRC, the first thing we got was NB>> a new fridge/freezer since the one that came with the house died NB>> almost as soon as we moved in... while shopping for that, we saw the NB>> freezer and decided to go for it... :) Haven't regretted it... :) BM> Yes, a freezer and if one has the room a second refrig/freezer are a BM> good idea: mainly to take advantage of sales but also to keep from BM> overcrowding the main one in the Kitchen. We "inherited" an old fridge/freezer that our church was tossing since someone had donated a newer, larger one... It was mostly useful in the days that we needed bulk storage, like the big tubs (5 gallon maybe) of peanut butter, etc... also stored in the basement with our upright freezer... not used at all any more, but could if needed, I think.... BM> For anyone else reading BM> through this I'd recommend a top/bottom refrig/freezer -- whether the BM> freezer is on top or the bottom is sort of personal preference. As BM> for the freezer, I'd go for cabinet (upright) over chest: chest might BM> store a little more for the same size but one is always digging to BM> what's on the bottom. Plus less floor footprint, and one isn't tempted BM> to store stuff on top ==> the door then can't be opened! Good points... ;) NB>>> Hmmm... that begins to sound like a major rearrange, along with NB>>> possibly new furniture.... ;) BM>> 'Urgh!' to both! If a major rearrange or new furniture is needed up BM>> here in the Computer Room it becomes an even greater project as would BM>> paint and replace the carpet. The Big Problem is where to store the BM>> stuff during the remodel; the Little Problem is keeping the computer BM>> doing the recording of the TV shows on-line. NB>> The reasons against going for that new display case for the NB>> computer continue to mount up... BM> Though a monitor might be a little more expensive over the cost of the BM> built-in option that outweighs the convenience of ease of locating! Indeed... :) ttyl neb .... Every day is a fresh start... and a new chance to blow it... --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (454:1/452) .