Subj : Re: New normals was: disabil To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Wed May 13 2020 22:51:38 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-May-2020 12:37 <=- BM> Subject: New normals was: disability NB>>> For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The NB>>> negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it, NB>>> at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and NB>>> even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all NB>>> lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health NB>>> responses... :) BM>> It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing BM>> everything might be an overreaction. NB>> Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary, NB>> but then I tend to be more laid back about such things... BM> Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand BM> sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot - BM> probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized. And probably not a bad idea to be doing that at this point... BM> Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do BM> bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide. Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks, but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our take out food, in case any other customers come in... :) BM>> Not saying it isn't the right thing to do; at this point we don't know BM>> the details and so tend to overreact, to do everything to protect as BM>> opposed to just what is necessary. NB>> And that's pretty much how I look at it, too... better probably to NB>> overreact to some extent, than to be too complacent... Where one NB>> draws the line varies, though, I've noted.... ;) BM> The adage 'better safe than sorry' comes to mind! There is that.... :) BM>> I do think society in general will change: it will be almost a social BM>> disgrace to go out sick. Where the sick line is drawn I don't know: BM>> sniffles from allergies isn't catching but can be similiar to sniffles BM>> from a cold. NB>> For a while, maybe... and not that bad a thing in some respects for NB>> people to be allowed to stay home when actually sick... I expect that NB>> it'll be back more to what we've had pretty soon after the threat is NB>> over, people being what they are... only a hundred years ago was the NB>> Spanish Flu... and that didn't change behaviours forever... ;) BM> Unfortunately. One could argue both ways: contracting and surviving BM> makes one stronger (overall -- individuals could come out not so BM> good). OTOH it does seem like one would be a Darwin Award consideration BM> for teasing the situation. A reasonable exposure can make for a more hardy immune system... but one doesn't have to go rub one's face in the infection.... ;) BM>> Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a BM>> distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost BM>> walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to BM>> maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event BM>> floor. NB>> We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some of NB>> those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone wanting NB>> a large wedding is going to hold back just because.... And a large NB>> family will make for a large funeral.... BM> True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings: BM> one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers.... Some people have done similar before... with a small official ceremony, and then a larger reception later.... having too many parties could be a bit too much in my mind, though... BM> Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7 BM> -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top, BM> then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how BM> and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the BM> end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a BM> treadmill, That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a proper race, though.... ;) BM>> Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a BM>> lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube BM>> farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference BM>> rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week. NB>> Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be NB>> hands-on meddling in every detail.... BM> Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! The BM> article indicated there will be a need to be concise so the droning on BM> and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the BM> problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in BM> personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be BM> available to help (not do). My guess is that the managers won't have changed all that much just because they had a hiatus from work... I was fortunate in having had helpful but hands-off managers when I was working... :) BM>> Retail will probably essentially stay somewhat like current with a big BM>> amount as on-line shopping. People do like to shop, especially feel BM>> clothing and see how it fits, so maybe that segment of shopping back BM>> to as it was, though possibly even less in-stock (one shirt in stock, BM>> sold, replacement comes in.) NB>> A lot of people need to make sure clothing actually fits, and make NB>> sure the color or pattern is flattering... so I'd think that would go NB>> back to what it was... Even appliances and cars and such there's a NB>> lot of personal preference (and need to actually check out in person) NB>> that goes into choices.... BM> Agree. "Red shirt". Could be an orangish red, could be a blood red, BM> could be.... Material could be thin or thick (both have advantages BM> and disadvantages).... And of course sizing -- one manufacture's BM> Medium is another's Small.... Exactly... :) BM>> All guesses, of course, NB>> And we'll see how things actually play out... :) BM> Yes, plus is a constant evolution. And it seems there was so maybe BM> still is a clothing store or two had some sort of app where the BM> customer took a full-length picture of themselves and the app figured BM> out what the customer needed for sizes. And there are some decent mail-order clothing catalogs, which haven't changed.... :) BM>> True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the BM>> thing to do". NB>> Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm NB>> really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :) BM> Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds BM> aren't externally looking too bad but last longer. I rarely get colds now... :) NB>>> Interesting. Mostly for me, what I notice is that the mask traps NB>>> moist, warm breath.... I'm only wearing it as mandated, in stores NB>>> and such... I did wear it in the blood collection place when I NB>>> needed to have blood drawn yesterday.... BM>> I also have not been wearing a mask but also haven't gone any place BM>> public lately. ...Good Grief! I've been home for two weeks??!! I BM>> didn't go to Hy-Vee last week.... Going to go to Dollar General later BM>> this morning to pick up a Mother's Day card and a couple other items; BM>> Hy-Vee after that. I did make a paper towel mask last might and will BM>> bring it with me should masking be required. Will wipe the basket BM>> handle/cart handle with hand sanitizer -- have been doing that. NB>> No wonder you're getting stir-crazy...? ;) Are masks required in NB>> close quarters for you now, too....? BM> So far no masks required for customers but last week Hy-Vee was BM> requiring their employees were masks. Everyone has to wear masks here now, at least in certain situations... and that will continue, even as we are starting into phase one of opening things back up... along with the 6-foot distancing and all... BM>> True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one BM>> person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find BM>> working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts BM>> twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a BM>> couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15 BM>> minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with BM>> them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is BM>> cooking, dinner, a little more work. NB>> A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of schedule NB>> that many self-employed working at home already have had... :) BM> Yes - an advantage of working from home is/was the breaks as needed. BM> Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they BM> could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting BM> distraction. One does need to set boundaries... ;) ttyl neb .... WinErr 00D: Window closed - Do not look outside --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (454:1/452) .