Subj : Re: Y2K again..? was: Note f To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Wed Apr 22 2020 17:29:00 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Apr-2020 09:14 <=- BM>>> There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to BM>>> use this new 'standard'. NB>>> I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to NB>>> become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know NB>>> about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :) BM>> You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm BM>> soooo in trouble for that one!) NB>> That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is NB>> supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly NB>> greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is... BM> We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it BM> better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest, Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new spells is a major goodness... :) BM> ...and I'm trying to think of an example where I did go "I gotta have BM> that!" and bought. Ummm.... Not I don't embrace change, just usually BM> wait until they get the kinks out (and the initial price comes down!). Richard's more likely to go for change than I am... but he also waits for the kinks to be taken care of and the price to come down... :) BM>> Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old BM>> - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2. NB>> I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I NB>> get laughed at for expressing that.... BM> To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into BM> a USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just BM> won't work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player! BM> Though they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two BM> devices in one unit. On my computer, the tower has a zipdrive disk slot, and a CD-ROM... and also, in one slot of the tower a dual drive with a slot for each of the 3 1/2 and the 5 1/4 floppies... The original computer had a drive for the SSSD disks and another for the DSHD disks... that still sits to the side of the computer desk, with the printer sitting atop it... :) What I use for a laptop, though, keeps getting upgraded.... recently Richard replaced the one I was using (that was having the battery issues) with a Dell.... much larger, different capabilities, etc... I'm working on familiarizing myself with it... NB>>> Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they NB>>> probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A NB>>> poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only NB>>> list a dozen or so... ;) BM>> Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH BM>> _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower BM>> price, red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower BM>> price. NB>> I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if NB>> I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to NB>> find they had listings which put them in a more favorable light NB>> against the other stores, though... BM> That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery BM> products have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the BM> past where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale BM> this week, next week Walgreens wiil, following week someone else..... There aren't a lot of things I pay attention to the circulars for... if the sale is actually originating from the manufacturer/supplier, it could make sense to have the sales "make the rounds" of the different stores, though... BM>> Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before BM>> I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the BM>> Mall. IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of BM>> white -- that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be BM>> price- matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the BM>> competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so BM>> commission). NB>> I can see where that would be irritating... seems not particularly NB>> fair of the manufacturer to play along with that.... but I suppose NB>> that could be turned upside down, and your store could have sold it NB>> for less than the other store was, and thereby got the sale.... :) BM> Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure BM> if the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough, BM> sure! You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us BM> look bad? No. The differentiating at least needs to uphold the quality of the product, after all... ;) BM>> On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals: BM>> spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping. BM>> Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the BM>> price and item: I usually start off knowing such-and-such store has BM>> decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a BM>> thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price BM>> plus the features we want! NB>> I don't shop online at all, but with other shopping, I do tend to know NB>> what the prices are at the store(s) I regularly shop at, so I know if NB>> something elsewhere is any sort of a deal... but generally do tend to NB>> shop just at certain stores anyway... :) And like you, with some NB>> major purchase, we'll be looking various places to get the price and NB>> and the features (or lack thereof) we want... BM> Part of my 'best deal' requirements depends on where the item is going BM> to be located. Washer and dryer are in the basement, on the BM> 'unfinished' side, so I could really care less what colour they are or BM> even if they match. And 72-different washing and cooling BM> temperatures? Only ever use three. OTOH the refrigerator probably BM> needs to be white, maybe black, to match. Nothing wrong with stainless BM> steel but wouldn't look right. We use the through-the-door water and BM> ice, so for us is a requirment; can understand why not for other folks. We'd be similar on the washer/dryer to you... but for us, the water and ice in/on the fridge would be a liability... we'd just as soon have the extra space they consume available, as well... but we would be a little more particular about the color.... BM> Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on BM> it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five BM> seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution BM> display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!! Yup, some of the bells and whistles are just distractions... ;) But if one has a valid use for it, then maybe.... ;) BM>>> Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target: BM>>> law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a BM>>> bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the BM>>> seller. NB>>> Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items, NB>>> so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily.... BM>> True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with BM>> you've-got-to-be-kidding prices. NB>> The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't NB>> Attract Attention.... ;) BM> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there BM> were lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80 BM> MPH in a 65 tends to attract attention! Contenders for the Darwin Award, I'd say... ttyl neb .... 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