Subj : moving or not was: C To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Tue Mar 31 2020 10:29:00 Hi Nancy! NB>>> I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but NB>>> things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory NB>>> it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked NB>>> at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories NB>>> just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would NB>>> have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite NB>>> that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not NB>>> checking inside the files themselves... BM>> Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find. NB>> I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... in NB>> fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case... so ls *.txt NB>> works fine for anything I have.... BM> That was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the BM> first word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to BM> the command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure BM> does for Linux! NB> So Richard warned me, in my occasional forays into Linux... but NB> not something I worry about in dos.... :) Right, just something to be aware of with Linux. BM>> The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably BM>> won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some BM>> other operating system). First may help find your file, second one BM>> won't. NB>> My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions... NB>> DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file, NB>> too... BM> Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a BM> text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes BM> or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux BM> just knew. NB> Another strike against Windows.... ;) Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a file with a specific header. BM>> OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with BM>> unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are BM>> four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a BM>> switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows BM>> for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to BM>> only list the extension hits. NB>> I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far NB>> I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very NB>> occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10 NB>> on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that NB>> lynx can't handle.... BM> Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not BM> remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a BM> half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected. NB> BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping NB> track of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;) Why am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't go with that flowing back gown! Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting Linux. BM>> As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot BM>> of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I BM>> don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS BM>> mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and BM>> "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been BM>> changed). NB>> One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful, NB>> even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... BM> There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and BM> the cursor just sits there! NB> I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... It does tend to not do too much in DOS! I tend to use whichever is more convenient, and sometimes 'convenient' has the meaning of 'less errors' such as the for-certain to click on a window or field to make active as opposed to tabbing or arrowing through. Of course, as usual "all depends". BM>>> Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the BM>>> only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12' BM>>> and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath BM>>> could go on the first floor for her but never did. NB>>> My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the NB>>> under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small NB>>> sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900.... BM>> My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely BM>> recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like BM>> I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was BM>> eight or so, so small). NB>> I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's NB>> half-bath tiny as well.... ;) BM> There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom BM> space! NB> And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the NB> only space available is barely large enough, and the only other NB> choice is to not have anything at all (so just using a commode NB> that needs dumping)... Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures. BM>>> We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old BM>>> the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother! BM>>> ...Get one of those pet stairways?! NB>>> They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in NB>>> catalogs... :) BM>> Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and BM>> pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?! NB>> You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over to NB>> the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on NB>> the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or NB>> out and then procede as above... ;) BM> But the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!! NB> Oh, well... ;) "Suck it up buttercup"?! BM> As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the BM> hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch BM> rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the BM> tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot! NB> One could really use those assistive steps on the outside NB> there... :) Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense. ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... 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