Subj : moving or not was: C To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Thu Feb 27 2020 08:28:00 Hi Nancy! NB>>> I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with NB>>> them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the NB>>> degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... BM>>> Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, BM>>> ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. NB>>> « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not NB>>> bound]' on the command line and beeps at me.... BM>> Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....) NB>> Agreed. But that's the way it is.... BM> Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol BM> sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it. NB> Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :) Right: we've probably used the cents symbol more in the last couple of weeks than we did all last year! ...Did remind me: when working at the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work - yup! (Didn't tell the othes I used a different template!) BM>> The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key BM>> combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At BM>> this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- BM>> easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you BM>> were to use the symbol often. NB>> I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if NB>> I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space] NB>> (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y NB>> to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly NB>> make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just NB>> not the keystrokes to make it... BM> Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than BM> find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have BM> a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is BM> an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead BM> of using the unicode. NB> At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could NB> access if needed... now I forget what I called it... But BTDT!! NB> part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that NB> often... Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you currently use -- and when you save it a SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you called the original file!! BM>>> Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give BM>>> others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's BM>>> boss, or at least not passively complying and some keystrokes BM>>> will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the BM>>> body but in the tagline will do a . NB>>> So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character... NB>>> but I deleted it just in case it also does the thingy.... BM>> (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.) NB>> Yup, I was thinking the same thing.... BM> That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare BM> confusing. :) NB> Par for the course when it comes to computers... On one hand it's all zero-and-one, yes-or-no, true-or-false. Then flip the power switch and things start to get complicated! BM>> As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least BM>> in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as LF>; as for BM>> in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does and sometimes BM>> will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad BM>> and Notepad one will display pi and one will not. NB>> Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to see NB>> what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;) BM> Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software BM> really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body. NB> No reason to take chances... :) Accidental is one thing, on purpose when know can cause a problem is a another. BM>> ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in BM>> graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline: BM>> printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second BM>> message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays; BM>> found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was BM>> just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created. NB>> In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably NB>> erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up NB>> Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times... NB>> so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the NB>> Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... Ctrl-F does do a search NB>> in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :) BM> Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece BM> of software to another! NB> Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the NB> other... :) Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software and for third- party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples, don't know if accurate represntations). Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended functions. BM>>> ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom. NB>>> Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night NB>>> for their bathroom stumbles... BM>> Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50! NB>> Or had more than one teenage child.... BM> I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't BM> have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added BM> the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! ) NB> Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one NB> upstairs and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a NB> shower... both with toilet and sink... The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally. Had the dangle-hose thing to create shower. Eventually switched to an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall. Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as big as a tub would take if not a little larger. ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... 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