Subj : moving or not was: C To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Sat Feb 22 2020 09:34:00 Hi Nancy! NB>>> I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what NB>>> I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII NB>>> characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the NB>>> degree symbol.... ø See...? BM>> Same process and can create others. NB>> I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with NB>> them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the NB>> degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... BM>> Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, BM>> ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. NB>> « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not NB>> bound]' on the command line and beeps at me.... BM> Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....) NB> Agreed. But that's the way it is.... Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it. BM> The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key BM> combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At BM> this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- BM> easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you BM> were to use the symbol often. NB> I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and NB> if I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc NB> space] (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and NB> then Ctrl-Y to copy it into the message at that point)... But I NB> can't directly make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in NB> this editor, just not the keystrokes to make it... Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead of using the unicode. BM>> Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give BM>> others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's BM>> boss, or at least not passively complying and some keystrokes BM>> will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the BM>> body but in the tagline will do a . NB>> So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character... NB>> but I deleted it just in case it also does the thingy.... BM> (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.) NB> Yup, I was thinking the same thing.... That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare confusing. :) BM> As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least BM> in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as LF>; as for BM> in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does and sometimes BM> will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad BM> and Notepad one will display pi and one will not. NB> Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to NB> see what it would do when it was a finished reply in the NB> packet.... ;) Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body. BM> ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in BM> graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline: BM> printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second BM> message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays; BM> found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was BM> just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created. NB> In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably NB> erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up NB> Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 NB> times.... so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, NB> I'd quick do the Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... NB> Ctrl-F does do a search in browse for me, I don't think it does NB> anything here in Emacs... :) Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece of software to another! NB>>> Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... BM>> Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! NB>> That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson NB>> not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to NB>> mitigate things a bit... ;) BM> Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems! NB> If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people NB> could survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth.... NB> :) Probably right, especially with Hope coming out of the box, or I think she was inside. It's been probably fifty-five years since I read Greek mythology. BM>> ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom. NB>> Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night NB>> for their bathroom stumbles... BM> Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50! NB> Or had more than one teenage child.... I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! ) ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... How long a minute is depends on what side of bathroom door you're on. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .