Subj : Re: flood stuff was: Vacation To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Fri Nov 29 2019 02:57:08 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Nov-2019 11:10 <=- BM>> Actually for that specific area might be more fun to research what's BM>> there currently. Corner is essentially a tiny park, though would seem BM>> like a good place for a gas station, convenience store (there is one BM>> across the street). (We don't need another gas station/convenience BM>> store, and overall I prefer seeing the grass and trees there -- cue BM>> Joni Mitchell and "they paved paradise".) Next "lot" over is what I'm BM>> slightly curious about: largish flattened mound with a short yagi-style BM>> sticking out of it. Maybe three feet off the ground; looks like a BM>> regular TV antenna. Not-so-secret bunker?! Too far away from the creek BM>> to be monitoring that. NB>> That does sound like an interesting corner... :) BM> I had looked on Google Maps and nothing identified. Have been told BM> that area used to be road for a gentle curve from the E-W Kimberly Rd. BM> to the N-S one; was modified when the interchange with I-74 was BM> constructed (I think early 70''s -- before I moved out here). Doesn't BM> explain the 'secret bunker' thing. That's the sort of thing that the local history library might have the information on... :) BM>>> Ah, OK. Regional terminologies. We do have similar sites locally; BM>>> OTTOMH not sure about the kitchen but there is essentially a house on BM>>> the nearby golf course and park one can rent for receptions, etc. NB>>> These will have an extensive kitchen, with a large room for the main NB>>> event, and often a smaller room for a bar (sometimes just part of the NB>>> main room), along with restrooms... And there is a staff that runs NB>>> the establishment and the kitchen, so when you rent the space, you NB>>> get full service with it... :) BM>> Probably the same here. The few I've been to had the event room, BM>> can't recall the bar option, kitchen area, rest rooms. Don't recall BM>> the staffing arrangements. Of two I'm recalling better both had an BM>> 'overseeing' staff member or two present: familiar with the site and BM>> helped the brought-in staff find things. NB>> So possibly between what we call a party-house and the more self-serve NB>> lodges in the parks here... Another way to describe the party house NB>> here is that it's a restaurant that is only open to private parties, NB>> not to the general public... :) BM> Right. The ones I can think of out here generally use the word BM> 'lodge' and state available for rental -- almost like there isn't a BM> descriptor, one just knows: "Duck Creek Lodge", "Credit Island BM> Lodge"... OTOH when one says "The Lodge" they mean the former BM> restaurant and hotel. Hard to be sure, but what you describe doesn't seem to quite be the same as our party houses... but at least similar.... BM>>> Davenport has the Credit Island Lodge - yes, that got flooded but had BM>>> been rebuilt a few years back due to a fire and the first floor level BM>>> is more or less minimal so when it does flood not too much to move out BM>>> (to upstairs) and repair. (The island was a site for fur, etc., BM>>> trading back in the Indian Days and hence the name.) NB>>> Ah, the name does makes sense with that history... :) We also have NB>>> lodges (generally one-story) that are available to rent in the various NB>>> local parks... those come with kitchen and restrooms, but one has to NB>>> bring in one's own food and can cook it there themselves... BM>> Right: quite a few of those options around here too. NB>> That tends to be rather a common option... :) BM> Was looking up Duck Creek Lodge and for their gazebo area (separate BM> from the house) has a seating capacity of 40 with no additional chairs BM> allowed; the house portion has a capacity of 110 but I didn't see BM> mention of who provides the seating, tables, etc. (Probably noted in BM> the reservations section.) If they do, then it's closer to what we call a party house... especially if they also provide the food and the service.... :) BM> ..And then there are two shelters in the BM> park which can be served, and yes, there are rest rooms nearby, Good thing... ;) BM>>> There is a current concern which I hadn't hadn't heard of until BM>>> lately. Some of the area rivers including the Mississippi are still at BM>>> flood stage and that is causing a potential problem for the roadways BM>>> nearby. The road bed is rock, gravel, etc., to allow good drainage, but BM>>> that also allows the water from the river, stream. etc., to flow in to BM>>> the road bed. Water expands when it freezes, so if there is water in BM>>> the drainage bed could expand and damage the road this winter. NB>>> Yet another factor.... ;( That sounds like a problem that should NB>>> have been thought of before.... but I suppose having the rivers NB>>> stay at flood stage hasn't been that big a factor up till now....? BM>> The staying at flood stage for so long is extremely rare - closer to BM>> never. Normally the rivers, etc., do a normal yearly drop of their BM>> water level, which drains the water table to where it belongs and the BM>> road beds are emptied. Just lots of rain, enough to keep the water BM>> levels up near/slightly over flooding and not drop back to normal BM>> river levels. NB>> Let's hope that it isn't a new normal... and that things will be NB>> back to the more expected next year...! BM> They're already issuing flood predictions for next year; I haven't BM> taken the time to read them yet. That sounds scary... unless they are predicting much less next year than this year.... NB>>> Maybe it IS time to move everything further uphill.... ;0 BM>> That would be quite a job! Have heard where it's been done, just not BM>> on such a grand scale as would be needed locally. Recall where a small BM>> town in the South (Louisiana?) moved a relatively short distance -- BM>> mile or two? -- just enough to be sufficiently elevated so as to not be BM>> flooded. NB>> It would be quite a job, and I was mostly being a little facetious... NB>> Even a small town would find it quite the job, I'm sure.... BM> Right. I have seen houses moved -- slowly creeping down the street in BM> two or three portions. (Originally had 'pieces' - seemed not quite BM> appriopriate!) Probably impossible to move most of the business BM> buildings as just too large. Building replacements would be a BM> nightmare: currently the buildings fit together and the business owner BM> makes do with what they have. If moving most would be doing the "it BM> would be nice to have extra room" or sometimes a little less room, so BM> the current jigsaw fit is lost. Yup, does sound like a nightmare... I've actually seen some whole (fairly large) houses moved down the street to a new location, but it's a major operation, and probably more than a little risky that everything would survive the move without some damage.... NB>> And now, we've not only had a hard freeze, but have stayed cold for NB>> almost a week now... and got a foot of snow.... which also is still NB>> around... As some of announcers have been saying, we're getting NB>> January weather in November! Today the high is only 27ø, but it's NB>> supposed to be in the 30s again tomorrow and Monday... they were NB>> talking about the 40s but that keeps moving down the way more... BM> We've been roughly ten degrees cooler than normal the past and current BM> week. Next week is suppose to be warmer than it has been but still a BM> little cooler than normal. Right now 35ø and last I heard a 3 mile BM> visibility with the fog. Supposed to rain around noon. And the last couple of days here, it's actually been in the high 50s...! We actually did get our Indian (late) Spring finally... not quite the Indian Summer that would have been nice, but it is the end of November, after all... ;) Today is back in the 30s, and tomorrow is supposed to be likewise... then maybe back in the 40s for the beginning of next week... BM>>> Still snowing; snow plow went by about a half-hour ago. BM>>> And yes, I did switch over to long-sleeved shirts - for some reason I BM>>> do feel warmer! NB>>> Well, yeah... one would think.... :) BM>> I know and have known a few people who never 'winterize'. One guy I BM>> know wears short sleeves all year round. OTOH I've also known people BM>> who wear long sleeves all the time and don't get hot in summer. NB>> There are indeed all kinds.... :) BM> For me it's just too hot to wear long sleeved shirts in the summer and BM> too cold to wear short sleeved shirts in the winter. OTOH I did wear BM> a suit jacket year round, though a short- or long sleeved shirt BM> underneath depending on the season - unless hot-hot tempertures I was BM> fine -- guess a little air circulation in the jacket sleeve! I'll use a sweater jacket for the fall, most of the winter, and then again in the spring... When it's a little warmer, I wear a short sleeved shirt under my dresses... and when cooler, switch to long-sleeved... And when colder yet, actually zip up the sweater... ;) Only when the temps get below zero F do I switch to the winter jacket... usually that one's too warm for me... :) In the summer, I tend to switch to the shorter length sleeveless sundresses... ttyl neb .... 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