Subj : peeves was: Eagle Cam To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Wed Nov 06 2019 08:52:00 Hi Nancy! BM>> Yes, though what that solution is also has a rather large price tag BM>> attached. Here the solution(s) has requirements of keeping the view BM>> of the Mississippi River, and a lot of where the view is isn't that BM>> much elevated above normal river levels. LIS in earlier messages, BM>> anti-flooding measures had been taken for a stretch upriver from BM>> Downtown: road was elevated, the barricade to keep cars on the roadway BM>> is actually a 3+ foot floodwall. The problem is the Downtown and BM>> downriver sections which are essentially at river level. NB>> So one might have to choose between the view or having protection NB>> from flooding... Maybe a somewhat transparent barrier.....? BM> That could be interesting if the water in the Mississippi was clear: BM> would be interesting to see the fish swimming in the flood waters, BM> though might just see catfish and they're not all that pretty, NB> I was thinking more of the transparency being useful during NB> non-flood stages.... being able to see the view despite a barrier NB> in place... I had thought that also -- guess just went for the year-round views. And transparent might have some other problems. Glare from the Sun, like when reflected off a window. Also birds might fly into the barrier: haven't noticed the use here but along some of the Austrian highways are acoustic barriers. Most are optically solid (can't see through -- might eliminate distractions for the driver but annoying to us passengers taking pictures!) but some have windowed panels. Most if not all of the panels will have the silhouette of a small flying bird to keep the real birds from flying into the clear panel. BM> Unfortunately the water is rather dirty, especially during a flood. BM> Was thinking of at a park where one can watch the fish, etc., through BM> glass. NB> .....but that also is a consideration.... I'd guess that when NB> the river is flooding, it would be picking up more dirt and all NB> along the way.... All sorts of considerations..... ;) I'm not sure how clean the Mississippi is normally when it hasn't picked up the flood debris. If reasonably clean in normal conditions might be interesting to incorporate a viewing window to see below the surface. (Should have thought of that when they were proposing items to incorporate with the new I-74 Bridge!) BM> IMO no problem to flood the parks but then start having issues with the BM> buildings and structures in the parks ==> wash off and/or repaint not BM> too much of a problem, electrical is. Surround with smaller version of BM> the flood wall around the baseball stadium? As for the Downtown..... NB> Definitely things that need to be considered... not a simple problem... BM> No, not at all simple. Lots of variables like elevation and usages (a BM> low-lying park could be allowed to flood, low-lying access to a bridge BM> probably not). A little details like the sewer system: barrier kept BM> the road dry but those darn drains look like fountains! NB> So we'll just hope that the heads put together to study this do NB> think of all the factors, and come up with good solutions... :) I'm thinking more like most factors, but yes. Would be even more costly but a secondary flood wall to protect should (when!) the primary one fails. Like when the HESCO Barrier failed and flooded downtown Davenport: if had sandbags or some other wall along the sidewalks probably could have contained most of the flood. Streets probably would have been flooded but the insides of the buildings might have been dry. BM>>>> Sort of tacked on to that news items was Davenport is working on flood BM>>>> plans but needs the assistance of others who have dealt with similar BM>>>> large projects. NB>>>> That at least is promising... :) BM>>> Yes. While the Downtown and by-the-river atmosphere is nice if I was BM>>> living or working down there I'd want something done about flooding. NB>>> The trick being to find something that will satisfy everyone... or at NB>>> least most.... ;) BM>> Yes, that's a major trick! LIS I think at least for now just let some BM>> flood. Still might have to have some flood wall installed, but if a BM>> block or two from the River doesn't have to be as tall. NB>> For now, you'll just have to wait and see what comes of the NB>> discussions... and hope something will come of it that ends up NB>> being beneficial.... ;) BM> Yes; LIS I'm indirectly effected, so more of an "interested BM> bystander". OTOH is another one of those mind exercises I tend to BM> enjoy. If by some stretch of the imagination I came up with a BM> potential solution I'd submit. NB> That could be useful... ;) So far no great ideas. Of course I'm only really thinking about it when the topic comes up here..... BM>>>> maybe eight or nine. Do recall I hadn't needed to throw up for some BM>>>> time (years) so that was also part of the "which bowl?" dilemma. NB>>>> Ah... another learning experience... and this time the learning NB>>>> stuck.... ;) BM>>> Because what I was learning about got stuck! NB>>> That probably did make it more memorable... BM>> That was an advantage of being a kid: not expected to clean up messes BM>> like that. (At least it was all in the sink and not on the floor!) NB>> Contained could make the cleanup easier, true.... ;) BM> That too! NB>> ... I came, I saw, and I stepped in it anyway. BM> Did you really mean to use that particular tagline? 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