Subj : Re: peeves was: Eagle Cam To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Fri Aug 30 2019 00:07:48 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Aug-2019 11:51 <=- NB>>> It does sound like it would be... Both recognizes the value of being NB>>> able to see the River and the necessity of being prepared for the NB>>> next inevitable flooding.... :) Elevating the land sounds promising, NB>>> but even beyond the effort and cost, the likelihood of it being NB>>> eroded away would tend to make it a less viable option... BM>> While I was in Vienna did receive some e-mails stating there have been BM>> and are meetings scheduled to do something in the way of a floodwall. NB>> Good they are working on it now while things are still relatively NB>> fresh... :) BM> Yes: probably like everything else the need fades with time. The BM> problem won't go away, but will become less urgent especially if the BM> River doesn't flood for several years. And then another flood.... Hopefully there will be sufficient momentum generated now to at least get some sort of solution in place or at least planned for implementation... Like you say, as time passes, the urgency abates, and then one is at risk when the next flood shows up... probably sooner than expected.... BM>> If they do create (and I think they should) it will more than likely be BM>> several types of floodwalls, which makes sense as 9+ miles needed and BM>> one solution for one area will not work in another. At this point I BM>> haven't seen any updates, though presume planning is on-going. NB>> That does make sense... any updates in the meantime...? BM> No, or none of which I am aware. There was a brief announcement on BM> the news a while ago of a meeting but I didn't hear any follow-ups. BM> (Not saying there were not -- I don't catch every newscast and some BM> times start late.) Something to track down to see if there have been any updates, maybe...? BM>>> I think it was part of a beautification project - and probably looked BM>>> nice on paper/screen but in real life looked so-so. Maybe end up BM>>> inside a section of permanent floodwall!! NB>>> You mean, as fill...? ;) Planters need to have some care to look NB>>> nice... maybe on corners, or in parks....? Someplace easy enough to NB>>> access in order to keep up the care.... :) BM>> Well sort of had thought as fill: could either break them down or move BM>> them to a site where would be useful as decoration. To me they never BM>> looked all that nice-looking so I'd lean towards fill/rubble but I BM>> would look into the possibility of landscaping at a park, etc., before BM>> destroying. NB>> Maybe in a different setting they'd look more attractive.... :) BM> They'd beautify the dump! Actually they might look much better BM> at a park. They didn't look bad in the street medium, just didn't look BM> right. Then maybe a park would be a good place for them... :) NB>>> That does make it sound like a temporary solution, not the permanent NB>>> one that would cause additional problems... BM>> Yes, though again I haven't seen any updates, though I am behind some. BM>> Will be interesting to see what happens with combinating all/most of BM>> the flood issues: elevate some of the train tracks and roadways BM>> (meaning streets) to accomodate, the various floodwalls, etc. NB>> It will indeed be interesting how things get settled out... :) BM> And I haven't heard any updates on the railroad tracks and no need for BM> me to wander to where they were elevated. Not any place you'd normally travel, eh...? NB>>> They'd have to make some provision to get pedestrians across, but NB>>> it might just not be as convenient as one would like... :) BM>> Right. The Vienna transit system had lots of escalators and BM>> elevators; concept would work for Davenport but I'm sure the BM>> implementation was very expensive and done over decades. NB>> Quite likely expensive and also likely not done all at once... :) NB>> Unless it was part of an original project for building the NB>> transit system in the first place... BM> I'm fairly certain the elevators and escalators were not part of the BM> original concept but added decades later as part of updating and BM> modernizing. While I was there part of the system was blocked off for BM> renovation -- I didn't think to ask for details and probably unless BM> familiar with the system probably would not have made sense. Especially if they were explaining in German... or even broken English... ;) BM>>> Pretty much right. The section I'm more familiar with is from BM>>> Bettendorf to the eastern boarder of downtown Davenport. Decades ago, BM>>> maybe part of the WPA, the road was moved in from the River, and so BM>>> elevated. The stone wall barrier which appears to be built to keep BM>>> drivers from going off the road is really part of the flood wall. BM>>> Between the road and the River are railroad tracks, a levee to protect BM>>> the tracks from lower-level flooding, and a public area with a walking BM>>> and bicycle trail, a few picnic areas, some shade-tree fishign areas, BM>>> etc. Downtown and the downriver side is where all the flood issues are. NB>>> That sounds like it was a very sound idea and implementation... but it NB>>> obviously was also a rather large project... and undoubtedly a much NB>>> larger and more expensive deal now, decades later, should similar be NB>>> undertaken for the still unprotected areas.... BM>> Yes: I'm fairly certain a lot of the original flood protection and BM>> run-off sewer projects were done as part of the WPA during the BM>> Depression. No such funding source now. There are others, of course. NB>> True. There would be funding sources directly related to flood NB>> management now... BM> True. Army Corps of Engineers comes to mind. Doubt if they're going BM> to make it too pretty, that part probably funded by the City itself. BM> Another interesting project to watch! Indeed. :) NB>> ... A piano stool? I thought pianos were housebroken! BM> Just wait until you go to the furniture store and see all the stool BM> samples! Um.... yeah.......... ttyl neb .... If the opposite of pro is con, then what's the opposite of progress? --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (454:1/452) .