Subj : Re: peeves was: Eagle Cam To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Thu Aug 22 2019 23:29:50 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Aug-2019 17:23 <=- BM>> Getting to the solution is the interesting part. One of the primary BM>> issues is a permanent flood wall would block the view of the River at BM>> the parks, etc. Elevating the land would be an option - until they BM>> see how expensive that and collateral would be! I'm thinking the BM>> temporary floodwalls with permanant posts and insert the panels would BM>> be one of the better options. NB>> It does sound like it would be... Both recognizes the value of being NB>> able to see the River and the necessity of being prepared for the NB>> next inevitable flooding.... :) Elevating the land sounds promising, NB>> but even beyond the effort and cost, the likelihood of it being NB>> eroded away would tend to make it a less viable option... BM> While I was in Vienna did receive some e-mails stating there have been BM> and are meetings scheduled to do something in the way of a floodwall. Good they are working on it now while things are still relatively fresh... :) BM> If they do create (and I think they should) it will more than likely be BM> several types of floodwalls, which makes sense as 9+ miles needed and BM> one solution for one area will not work in another. At this point I BM> haven't seen any updates, though presume planning is on-going. That does make sense... any updates in the meantime...? BM>>> One side effect from the flooding will be the removal of BM>>> decorative planters which are in the median. I'm not sure what they BM>>> were initially installed to do -- they look OK, but not great. Not to BM>>> keep on-coming headlights out of the eyes. Anyway, with the flooding BM>>> they found it bit more challenging to install the HESCO barriers BM>>> because the barriers were in the way. Haven't heard if the planters BM>>> will be moved elsewhere or what will become of them. NB>>> They were a nice idea on paper, maybe they needed more attention NB>>> than they were able to be given... They were probably just someone's NB>>> idea of beautification... :) Maybe they'll be moved somewhere more NB>>> practical... BM>> I think it was part of a beautification project - and probably looked BM>> nice on paper/screen but in real life looked so-so. Maybe end up BM>> inside a section of permanent floodwall!! NB>> You mean, as fill...? ;) Planters need to have some care to look NB>> nice... maybe on corners, or in parks....? Someplace easy enough to NB>> access in order to keep up the care.... :) BM> Well sort of had thought as fill: could either break them down or move BM> them to a site where would be useful as decoration. To me they never BM> looked all that nice-looking so I'd lean towards fill/rubble but I BM> would look into the possibility of landscaping at a park, etc., before BM> destroying. Maybe in a different setting they'd look more attractive.... :) BM>> Did half-find out some more information, though doesn't make sense. BM>> There are laws which allow the railroads to elevate the tracks to BM>> allow the trains to continue to operate during flooding. Apparently BM>> when the flooding is done they have thirty days to bring the tracks BM>> back down to the original grade. So that would sound like it's just a BM>> temporary problem. NB>> That does make it sound like a temporary solution, not the permanent NB>> one that would cause additional problems... BM> Yes, though again I haven't seen any updates, though I am behind some. BM> Will be interesting to see what happens with combinating all/most of BM> the flood issues: elevate some of the train tracks and roadways BM> (meaning streets) to accomodate, the various floodwalls, etc. It will indeed be interesting how things get settled out... :) BM>> The article continued on about the railroad and City of Davenport BM>> negotiating re: various railroad crossings in the downtown area to BM>> essential close them -- whatever proposed would have also blocked BM>> pedestrian crossing, not just vehicular. I'll admit at this point I BM>> was too confused. NB>> They'd have to make some provision to get pedestrians across, but NB>> it might just not be as convenient as one would like... :) BM> Right. The Vienna transit system had lots of escalators and BM> elevators; concept would work for Davenport but I'm sure the BM> implementation was very expensive and done over decades. Quite likely expensive and also likely not done all at once... :) Unless it was part of an original project for building the transit system in the first place... NB>>> Sounds plausible.... I'll agree that it's a shame to lose the NB>>> view of the River... but one does need to control things somewhat NB>>> when the River is endangering.... BM>> Pretty much right. The section I'm more familiar with is from BM>> Bettendorf to the eastern boarder of downtown Davenport. Decades ago, BM>> maybe part of the WPA, the road was moved in from the River, and so BM>> elevated. The stone wall barrier which appears to be built to keep BM>> drivers from going off the road is really part of the flood wall. BM>> Between the road and the River are railroad tracks, a levee to protect BM>> the tracks from lower-level flooding, and a public area with a walking BM>> and bicycle trail, a few picnic areas, some shade-tree fishign areas, BM>> etc. Downtown and the downriver side is where all the flood issues are. NB>> That sounds like it was a very sound idea and implementation... but it NB>> obviously was also a rather large project... and undoubtedly a much NB>> larger and more expensive deal now, decades later, should similar be NB>> undertaken for the still unprotected areas.... BM> Yes: I'm fairly certain a lot of the original flood protection and BM> run-off sewer projects were done as part of the WPA during the BM> Depression. No such funding source now. There are others, of course. True. There would be funding sources directly related to flood management now... ttyl neb .... A piano stool? 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