Subj : peeves was: Eagle Cam To : Nancy Backus From : Barry Martin Date : Mon Aug 12 2019 17:23:00 Hi Nancy! NB>>>> And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more.... BM>>> Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure; BM>>> quite sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees BM>>> and experience looking into it. NB>>> And hopefully they will come up with solutions and better flood NB>>> defenses... :) BM>> Hopefully. NB>> And hopefully there are solutions to be found... :) BM> Getting to the solution is the interesting part. One of the primary BM> issues is a permanent flood wall would block the view of the River at BM> the parks, etc. Elevating the land would be an option - until they BM> see how expensive that and collateral would be! I'm thinking the BM> temporary floodwalls with permanant posts and insert the panels would BM> be one of the better options. NB> It does sound like it would be... Both recognizes the value of NB> being able to see the River and the necessity of being prepared NB> for the next inevitable flooding..... :) Elevating the land NB> sounds promising, but even beyond the effort and cost, the NB> likelihood of it being eroded away would tend to make it a less NB> viable option... While I was in Vienna did receive some e-mails statig there have been and are meetings scheduled to do something in the way of a floodwall. If they do create (and I think they should) it will more than likely several types of floodwalls, which makes sense as 9+ miles needed and one solution for one area will not work in another. At this point I haven't seen any updates, though presume planning is on-going. BM>> One side effect from the flooding will be the removal of BM>> decorative planters which are in the median. I'm not sure what they BM>> were initially installed to do -- they look OK, but not great. Not to BM>> keep on-coming headlights out of the eyes. Anyway, with the flooding BM>> they found it bit more challenging to install the HESCO barriers BM>> because the barriers were in the way. Haven't heard if the planters BM>> will be moved elsewhere or what will become of them. NB>> They were a nice idea on paper, maybe they needed more attention NB>> than they were able to be given... They were probably just someone's NB>> idea of beautification... :) Maybe they'll be moved somewhere more NB>> practical... BM> I think it was part of a beautification project - and probably looked BM> nice on paper/screen but in real life looked so-so. Maybe end up BM> inside a section of permanent floodwall!! NB> You mean, as fill...? ;) Planters need to have some care to NB> look nice... maybe on corners, or in parks....? Someplace easy NB> enough to access in order to keep up the care.... :) Well sort of had thought as fill: could either break them down or move them to a site where would be useful as decoration. To me they never looked all that nice-looking so I'd lean towards fill/rubble but I would look into the possibility of lanscaping at a park, etc., before destroying. NB>>> Probably lots of people will be engaged in re-thinking things due NB>>> to this years record flooding events.... :) BM>> Like those planters! Yes, I'm thinking there might be a lot of BM>> changes. LIS in a little while back, the railroad(s) elevated their BM>> tracks and Davenport has to work around that to allow cars over the BM>> tracks. Generally just can't pile a dumptruck full of dirt on either BM>> side, grade, pave and call it good: have to consider longer trucks BM>> which would 'bridge' and have wheels in the shallow and the trailer BM>> body resting on the tracks. NB>> Yup, lots of issues to consider.... BM> Did half-find out some more information, though doesn't make sense. BM> There are laws which allow the railroads to elevate the tracks to BM> allow the trains to continue to operate during flooding. Apparently BM> when the flooding is done they have thirty days to bring the tracks BM> back down to the original grade. So that would sound like it's just a BM> temporary problem. NB> That does make it sound like a temporary solution, not the NB> permanent one that would cause additional problems... Yes, though again I haven't seen any updates, though I am behind some. Will be interesting to see what happens with combinating all/most of the flood issues: elevate some of the train tracks and roadways (meaning streets) to accomodate, the various floodwalls, etc. BM> The article continued on about the railroad and City of Davenport BM> negotiating re: various railroad crossings in the downtown area to BM> essential close them -- whatever proposed would have also blocked BM> pedestrian crossing, not just vehicular. I'll admit at this point I BM> was too confused. NB> They'd have to make some provision to get pedestrians across, but NB> it might just not be as convenient as one would like... :) Right. The Vienna transit system had lots of escalators and elevators; concept would work for Davenport but I'm sure the implementation was very expensive and done over decades. NB>> Sounds plausible.... I'll agree that it's a shame to lose the NB>> view of the River... but one does need to control things somewhat NB>> when the River is endangering.... BM> Pretty much right. The section I'm more familiar with is from BM> Bettendorf to the eastern boarder of downtown Davenport. Decades ago, BM> maybe part of the WPA, the road was moved in from the River, and so BM> elevated. The stone wall barrier which appears to be built to keep BM> drivers from going off the road is really part of the flood wall. BM> Between the road and the River are railroad tracks, a levee to protect BM> the tracks from lower-level flooding, and a public area with a walking BM> and bicycle trail, a few picnic areas, some shade-tree fishign areas, BM> etc. BM> Downtown and the downriver side is where all the flood issues are. NB> That sounds like it was a very sound idea and implementation... NB> but it obviously was also a rather large project... and NB> undoubtedly a much larger and more expensive deal now, decades NB> later, should similar be undertaken for the still unprotected NB> areas.... Yes: I'm fairly certain a lot of the original flood protection and run-off sewer projects were done as part of the WPA during the Depression. No such funding source now. There are others, of course. BM>>> ... What is a pet peeve? Do you have one? What do they eat? NB>>> Probably they eat contentment... leaving one discontented with NB>>> the situation.... ;) BM>> Need to find one to eat discontent. NB>> Ah, but peeves are peevish.... ;) BM> So if peeves are picky does that mean they're related to porcupines? NB> Wouldn't that make them porky instead of picky,,,,? Only if part of the swine family rather than the choosy ones. (Why am I thinking of the 'choosy mothers choose Jif' peanut butter commercial?!) ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... They used to call me "Crisco".... because I was fat in the can. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .