Subj : Re: negate the new Win11 To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Mon Jan 05 2026 06:25:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > > Well I'll admit the version releases codings didn't mean a thing to me > > other than identification and level, which everything has in some form. > > Seems to boil down to if want Microsoft support (and presumably same for > > Linux and other out there) need to play by their rules. > KM> Yeah. But their rules are rather fuzzy. > > Their lawyers are gooood! Make rules which the user has to follow but > the details are somewhat up for interpretation, Only the rule-maker > (Microsoft) knows exactly, and so they can flex to their current > preferences. You can bet that if HP and Dell and Enterprise Business were to put their foot down, Win11's "system requirements" would evaporate overnight. Because OEMs like HP and Dell and Enterprise Business are Microsoft's REAL customers. But it's all to a hardware OEM's advantage if sysreqs require a whole new monkey, and Enterprise Business has its own pressing needs toward keeping ahead of liability. Home users are not customers, they are a support cost. (And occasional free beta testers.) > KM> And the Win7 laptop got a security update just last week! > > They were feeling benovelant for the holidays? I think they have an automated build farm that doesn't distinguish, and the security updates are marked for compatibility with the security engine (Windows Defender, or whatever they're calling it now), not with the OS version. The real surprise, tho, was Win8.1 getting a full system update last August. > KM> block is the TPM chip, which really is entirely optional, since > KM> it's only needed if you require disk encryption (usually a > > I could see the good and especially bad points of disk encryption, but > to my thinking not needed unless is a business computer being used > outside of the physical business. There are always gamers who see it as SHINY and just have to have it, and it also keeps your parents and little brother from snooping. But yeah, unless you you really need the security (laptop at job site, and the like) it's a disaster in training. It's not if you lose your security key, it's when. >File encryption is a different > critter. Yep. > > First item on checklist! (I'm supposed to read the whole message > > first??!) > KM> LOL. Basics! > > I usually consider BBS and e-mail messages (well, the personal ones) as > conversations in writing so read paragraph (sometimes two), respond, > read, respond..... Yakkity yak! > > Semi-same with my old Lenovo T61 (though running Ubuntu for > > compatibility). Sluggish, but for what I need it for I'll put up with > > that. > KM> 2.4GHz Core2Duo, pretty good for a 2007 laptop. > KM> https://icecat.biz/us/p/lenovo/8895wea/thinkpad-laptops-thinkpad+t > KM> 61-1758081.ht > KM> l > > (Where's my 'm'??!!) > > Looks about right: I remember there were different versions but overall > correct. ...Though now not quite: I added RAM and swapped the HDD for a > SDD. Well, that's most of the upgrade... > > KM> Given it was designed for Vista, probably shipped with 4GGB RAM > KM> and spinning rust. If you haven't upgraded it and still use it, > KM> might be worthwhile, and easy enough to do. It takes up to 8GB of > KM> DDR2. > > Caught me not reading ahead again! It's these realtime yaks, they arrive that way. > IIRC it originally had 2 GB; just checked: now has 2x 2GB DDR2. Know I > checked before buying to be sure of maxing out. According to what I can find, and normal for Core2Duo, it should support 8GB. And that would make a lot of difference for Ubuntu performance. > Now has a 1TB SSD. :) ...Using a whopping 4%! LOL. Not tremendously busy, is it. :D > > KM> Quick how-to > KM> (note that one must take care not to rip the ribbon cable that > KM> goes to the touchpad) > KM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYkefpMSBso > > Your turn to not read ahead! ...Oh. Actually, I usually reply from the bottom up... > Forgot where I got the instructions from but detailed manual of steps to > replace parts and accompanying drawings. (Porbably IBM/Lenovo knowing > them.) They publish service manuals, yeah. > > > > Yes, between saving a thousand dollars for new computer stuff and > > > getting socked billions for keeping it I think the answer is clear: we > > > get to buy refurbished stuff!! > > KM> YES!! > > And so us individual end-users buy and start using the stuff the > KM> At a much reduced price, which will perhaps save the consumer PC > KM> market from collapse since RAM is presently priced out of reach > KM> of anyone who isn't Big Corporate. > > I haven't looked at the prices as not planning to build anything soon. > About the only items purchasing of late are small peripherals like a USB3 > powered hub. Yeah. I dithered and wasn't really happy with the upgrade options and now THIS... .....well, there's newer hardware coming from my sister's office discards, but experience suggests it will still need a RAM upgrade! > > KM> > KM> churning hardware....> > > (Must be virtual hardware as data is just information.) > KM> Too bad it's not all virtual.... but the data has to live > KM> somewhere, and be processed somewhere. However, the vast majority > KM> does run on some species of virtual machine. > > Yes: just doesn't exist in the atmosphere. Has to have some sort of > 'rootings' in memory and hard drives -- maybe also SSD -- but some > physical space. ...I could even earn a little money by renting extra > storage space on the computers here for part of the cloud. Five cents?? Cuz cloud HDDs now run 20TB, and you're paying a lot more by the byte for electricity and bandwidth... > Hope for a big crash and those prices will plummet!! I'll attach 18 > TB drives to my spare Raspberry Pi 3's!!! I feel sorry for the Pi. > KM> And it's a big circle jerk: OpenAI invested billions in NVidia, > KM> then bought billions worth of NVidia GPUs. So the real motivation > KM> is moving tons of "revenue" to artificially inflate the stock > KM> price and market cap. > > Well that's one way to get your money back! Precisely. And an astonishingly inflated stock price and market cap. > > ..I sort of get a kick how on the game shows when reading off the list > > of "wow's!" for a TV they exclaim it has an AI processor. I'm thinking > KM> Making it capable of screenshotting what you watch and reporting > KM> back to the mothership, and tayloring your "ad experience" to > KM> what you watch. (Yes, this is happening with newer "smart TVs".) > > I've read that. For me generally not working: TV is OTA -- live could For me not working because TV not hooked up! > still be custom-tailored but most of my TV watching is recorded. Which > includes recording the commercials transmitted at the time. Of which I > usually FF over, so still a chance for a bit of subliminal advertising. > (Some of that fru-fru high-end cat- and dog food looks like a high-end > restaurant presentation!) Same marketing, for sure. > ..Where was I? Live PlutoTV does give commericals, many local inserts. If it blew hard enough, Ohio. > KM> We in ranch country hear "AI" and think "artificial insemination" > KM> then have to shift gears .... well, we're getting screwed by AI, > KM> so maybe it's all one. > > That is sort of the problem with abbreviations: have to > consider the context. ...Plumbers probably get confused when we talk > about "seepy U's". LOL, smart plumbing. > > KM> In the long-ago I used to hang out on a forum that was largely > KM> Complain About Windows. And almost universally, the complaint > KM> "all of a sudden Windows won't boot" was followed by an admission > KM> that they were dual-booting with linux "which still works". GRUB > KM> updates and nukes the Windows boot sector, and naturally then > KM> Windows won't boot. > > "Where'd my starting instructions go?!" ...I had that type of problem > when the SSD was failing: good news is I was able to fsck and recover > the data and so continue, (The SSD has since been replaced.) fsck doesn't recover data; to clear the naughty bits, it usually deletes the offending file. I've never seen it delete OS files, but I've seen it nuke multiple GB of user data. > KM> I have not dual-booted since Argo's era, beyond some experiments > KM> not meant for prime time. > > Experiments are good! ...I can sort of understand how the dual boot is > supposed to work. I think the problem is when the new OS wants to write > to the boot sector, but the boot sector is currently under control of > the old OS. Unless there's an univeral method to do boot instructions > for all OS it's not going to work. (Half-thinking like the boot sector > is switching languages from French to German.) The problem is when GRUB is updated, it overwrites everything. And apparently does not understand Secure Boot, and maybe not UEFI boot. > > > KM> Fireball (4th gen Xeon, 64GB RAM) has about 20 HDDs with various > > KM> OSs. Including: > > KM> Windows: XP64, Server2008R2 (Win7 server), Win10 Pro, Win11 > > KM> Workstation Linux: Fedora (what it presently runs), Mageia, > > KM> Devuan, Debian, Mint, others I forget. (For some unknown reason, > > KM> PCLinuxOS won't run on it.) > > It's a diva?! > KM> It's too complicated. PCLinuxOS is "radically simple". > > To make things simple on the outside (to the user) needs to be able to > do all the complicated stuff on the inside. That's the philosophy! > > Frequent slurps of fresh coffee and/or tea! > KM> Tea, that's a thought.... > > Some teas have caffeine -- some more than coffee. Just in case you're > sensitive towards caffeine. ...I go for the flavored teas for a taste > difference. Earl Grey is a nice traditional option; there's a nice > apple-cinnamon one, chai... I keep them in a round box from which I Yuck! > was gifted last year? - two years ago? - which had a flavour variety. > Will buy a box or two when on sale and restock the container -- > sometimes look for a specific one, sometimes a random pick. Irish Breakfast in the morning, Moroccan Mint (usually as Bigelow Perfectly Mint) in the afternoon, that's my drug of choice. > > .. Baby chick found orange in mother's coop:"Look at the orange marmalade." > KM> All wisdom is found in taglines. > > Keeping it short and to the point. Debate technique: Just the point, please! þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com (454:1/1) .