Subj : Re: Computer Kits
To   : Jeff
From : Arelor
Date : Sun Jan 30 2022 16:21:13

  Re: Re: Computer Kits
  By: Jeff to Arelor on Sun Jan 30 2022 12:34 pm

 > On 30 Jan 2022, Arelor said the following...
 >  Ar>  > When it comes to violence, yes. Words and boycotts are not violent, 
 >  Ar>  > Other people have the same right to speak their minds that you do, a
 >  Ar>  > choose where and how to spend their money.
 >  Ar> Here is the thing,
 >  Ar> there is a big difference between society allowing something, you havin
 >  Ar> the right to do something, and that something being good.
 >  Ar> Free speech and the freedom for artistical expression are considered a
 >  Ar> good thing. That does not mean composing an artistic soundtrack made of
 >  Ar> farting sounds is a good idea. We may allow it because the alternative
 >  Ar> is imposing censorship against the arts, which is much, much worse.
 >  Ar> However, if the onñly way you have of defending your song made of
 >  Ar> farting sounds is "I have the right to do it, so let me alone" then wha
 >  Ar> I take away is that the whole thing is a very bad idea from the get go.
 > 
 > Defending your song from what? People attempting to "cancel" it? I think thi
 > example may have backfired.
 > 
 >  Ar> So yeah, people may have the right to boicott Nosolorol into
 >  Ar> nothingness. That does not mean it is a good thing. I also have the
 >  Ar> right to hammering my feet flat with a sledgehammer, but if I did and
 >  Ar> attempted to justify it because "It is my right to do so", I would be
 >  Ar> regarded as a madman.
 > 
 > In this example, the former is a society passing judgment on the business
 > practices of a company while the latter is a presumably senseless act of
 > self-mutilation. If Nosolorol decided to close up shop for reasons known onl
 > to itself, then you might be able to make a comparison.
 > 
 > Jeff.

When I speak about defending a tasteless song, I mean justifiying its
existence.

It is pretty common for creative people to face at one time or another the
question "why in Hell have you created *that*?"

The point I was trying to make is that recognizing the artist's right to create
a pile of crap does not mean you have to aprove the pile of crap. In this
context, I recognize the mob's rights to complain and opinate and cease to
consume products because of... reasons... but that has nothing to do with
whether such actions are justified in a given case.

Example gratia:

A random thread in RPGnet was started as a complaint that W40K has a faction of
"Nazi" humans, which may make actual nazies like the game, and therefore the
game was not to be played anymore. I think they have the right to hold such
discussion. I also think this people should seek help, because you must have a
deep mental disorder to suffer because, somewhere, somehow, a nazi may be
enjoying the same game you are enjoying.

Example gratia II:

Rejoice in cancel culture from the other end of the spectrum, when The RPG Site
Created a list of leftist games to avoid, games of unknown political stance,
and True American Games. It is their right to create such list. Do you aprove
of such list being created?

The reason why I am mentioning this is becasue you are defending haressment
campaigns using two main points. The main one is that it is your right to
conduct it, which I don't argue (boraxman might). It is just that arguing
something is your right is not enough to justify it.

The second point you base your defense on boils down to boicott campaign
being fine, because it is mainly the bad guys getting destroyed. This I also
have a problem with.

Here is this, even if you assume that conservatives are evil and deserve total
destruction and that progressives are saints, if you look deep down the issue,
it turns out leftist mobs have begun to target leftist groups for not being
leftist enough!

That's right, I have seen people trying to organize campaigns against Wizzards
of the Coast, widely regarded as a woke org (to the point some people call them
Wizzards of the Woke) because their games are no pacifist enough or have racist
undertones. Mind you, I get complaining that The Birth of a Nation is racist,
but complaining 5E is racist enough to justify a hate campaign is just
insanity.

Nosolorol is also a leftist propaganda machine, for the record. All their
non-license, in-house created products, use diversity checklists. They
invariably portray cuts in government spending as the root of problems in their
settings and published adventures. When they got hit so hard by the cancel
campaign that they lost a number of stores, they released an apology statement
(which was ignored by the lynch mob) and added that they are not a capitalist
firm.

Therefore, even arguing that lynch campaigns are fine because it is bad people
who is getting destroyed does not hold much water as an argument (even if you
buy the premise, which I don't).



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