Subj : Old Geek Thoughts... To : McDoob From : TALIADON Date : Fri Jan 07 2022 11:15:55 Mc> That's a problem for C64, from what I've heard...I think the SID chip Mc> hasn't been reverse-engineered... TBH, even commodore had difficulty in maintaining the analogue nuances (filter response in particular) between the 6581 & 8580 revisions. Like all analogue designs; layout, substrate, masking, lithography, and manufacture, are all components of signal fidelity & frequency response. With the 6581 in particular, Bob Yannes decided to employ rather than mitigate these nuances; as the silicon/process nuances changed, so did the signal. If you isolate and play the 6581 & 8580 side-by-side, the differences are certainly perceptible to the human ear. Unlike most analogue engineers, Bob didn't seem too concerned about marginal parasitics: why add more silicon when you can simply add more 'features'. This unique (and rather clever IMHO) approach gave the original SID a very unique timbre that's difficult to reproduce in its entirety. As far as re-engineering goes, I think the SwinSID is as good as it gets, at least for now. o-----------o------------o-------------------------o TALIADON | 2:250/6 | 21:3/138 | TALIADON-BBS@MAIL.COM | o-----------o-----------o------------o-------------------------o | "Error is a great teacher, and humility its hardest lesson." | o--------------------------------------------------------------o --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32) * Origin: TALIADON BBS (21:3/138) .