Subj : Apple IIs To : Commodore Clifford From : Spectre Date : Thu Jul 20 2023 06:01:00 CC> Well, the 15khz thing is something we Atarians know well, so he should be Hehe, when I think Atari, I tend to think 4 and 800s.... CC> good there (I've been looking into a GS myself since I already have the CC> //c and ][e).... But as tot he Apple NTSC and the color dropping, that's Way back when I had a ROM3, I'd probably give my left testicle for another one these days. Its just that bit more refined than the ROM1. Worst case scenario for Monitots on the Clone-E I have has been text being ok, and nothing but a blank screen for graphics. Workaround initially was to feed it through a VCR, and later a NTSC/PAL converter didn't much matter which way it ran it was enough to clean up the signal. Ye olde CRT doesn't have much problem, more modern LCD based pictures tend to have strife. CC> I remember the old days with the apple that my friend had though... When CC> he finally traded the old green screen for the color monitor (well, when CC> his parents did, we were in gradeschool) man, it made all the difference For the longest time I was on Mono... school had green Monitot IIs I only had the old CCTV black and white display. By the time I hitched colour up to it, I was a bit disappointed feeling whoever had written most software had optimised for the different textures in B&W and it looked rubbish in colour. Spec *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware] --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval) * Origin: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. (21:3/101) .