Subj : Re: EVs To : poindexter FORTRAN From : Adept Date : Thu Oct 19 2023 20:28:08 pF> Best commute ever? The Oakland-San Francisco ferry. A nice, relaxed pF> cruise in a catamaran ferry with table seating, coffee and donuts in the pF> morning, and a view of the sun going down behind downtown San Francisco pF> as the ferry took off under the bay bridge. Grab a beer from the bar, go pF> to the upper deck, and on the odd Thursday night listen to "Ship of pF> Fools" a band made up of long-time ferry riders. That _does_ sound pretty decent. And San Francisco is _much_ too crowded for cars to reliably be much fun to have around. I lived in the vicinity for a bit, and, yeah, you _can_ have a car, but you'll invariably end up paying expensive parking tickets for one reason or another. And suffering through long traffic jams. I'm sad that BART doesn't cover more areas. E.g., New York seems to have multiple redundant lines, and the SF side of things does is a mish-mash of MUNI trains and buses. E.g., if you want to take BART into the City, but want to go to Fisherman's Wharf / Pier 39 for a tourist experience, you'll likely have to pop out at the last stop before the bay, then get on a 1930s-era museum street car that's half experience and half public transit. (and, no, I do not mean the famous trolleys. These are different pieces of old equipment, brought from Italy or elsewhere.) Or else walk for 40 minutes, and have to walk back later. --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64) * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108) .