Subj : Re: Help me here .. I am confused ?
To   : esc
From : Adept
Date : Mon Dec 05 2022 09:24:55

 es> But yeah, the "is something that you don't get elsewhere" - full stop,
 es> this is not true. Speaking from a multitude of personal experience here.
 es> :)

If true, fine, but the claim I was making at that point was in part reinforced by someone born in Germany who just spent two weeks in Turkey.

But could you speak to what you think is the same? I know that kebab exists in lots of places, so if you've spent a lot of time trying a variety of dishes at German and Turkish kebab places, and found them to have the same menus, it'd be nice to hear more details on that experience.

The whole, "You're clearly wrong" message just kind of irritates me, as it provides no data or reason for me to doubt my claim, and isn't presented in a, "hey, I disagree with your assessment" sort of way, just a, "you're stupid" kind of way. Which is more likely to make me think that people aren't even considering my opinion, thus there's no reason for me to consider theirs.

Your message is definitely better, as you're saying you disagree because of your own personal assessment and expertise, and, sure, that's great. I'm more inclined to believe you, even though I doubt that 30 years+ of an ethnic cuisine in Germany is likely to have remained unchanged from being in Germany.

And, even if it _were_ exactly the same, it's still a part of German culture, because it's possibly easier to find a Doener place than to find a place that primarily serves traditional German dishes.

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