Subj : Re: 2017/2018 PC to modernize it. To : Nightfox From : apam Date : Thu Nov 03 2022 14:44:17 > I don't remember Windows itself ever trying to get me to purchase > other services..? I know it does everytime you install it, it tries to sell you Office and an XBox game subscription. Windows 10 has a bunch of stuff it installs like disney plus, spotify etc on the start menu. And every few weeks it asks me to "finish setting up my computer" where it insists I use edge and reset to the "prefered browser settings" Windows 11 seems to have less of the preinstalled crap (or at least makes it less noticable). > That wouldn't be a fault of Windows itself, but computer makers that > install that crapware on their computers. I think it's been a while > since I've seen a computer like that, but usually I build my own > desktop PC, so I just install Windows on it without the crapware.. I haven't bought a new computer from a computer maker in years, but I do remember that they often had there own set of junk they install (Virus scanner trials etc) I don't know what Arelor was talking about, but Windows 10 definitly installs a bunch of crap (Windows Store programs, like disney plus etc) It's always there on a clean install for me. To me it's kind of disappointing that the OS you pay for has all the ads, whereas the free os doesn't. Although that's not entirely true, firefox has sponsored items on the home page on every OS (but you can turn them off easily enough) and most linux distros have firefox installed. Having said all that though, I'm using Windows 10 currently on this laptop. It "came" with windows 11 from ebay, but is too old to update to 22H2 or whatever the latest version of windows 11 is, so I reinstalled windows 10 - (which it would have originally come with). I don't mind windows 11, it's much nicer than windows 10, but the hardware requirements suck. Andrew --- Talisman v0.46-dev (Windows/x64) * Origin: Smuggler's Cove - Private BBS (21:1/182) .