Subj : Re: Join Networks
To   : Ogg
From : Gamgee
Date : Thu Sep 08 2022 19:39:00

-=> Ogg wrote to acn <=-

 a> If I see the thread view correctly, it really shows one
 a> problem: the subject of the thread changes with (almost)
 a> every message. Why is that happening?

 Og> First, anyone in Fidonet can change a subject, or have none all
 Og> too for that matter.  ;)

True, but irrelevant.  It only happens with Telegram users.

 Og> But from the Tg side, the challenge is to provide a reasonable
 Og> Subject to fit the Fidonet expectation of having one (or not),
 Og> when the Tg environment operates without needing a Subject.

So..... Telegram is admittedly broken.

 Og> But Stas made a very clever innovation and simply uses the
 Og> first 40 chars of the body of the message as the Subject.

That's not an "innovation", it's a KLUDGE.  A very poor one.

 Og> Looking at it from the Fidoside, it serves to be a kind of
 Og> message preview.  I think it's good and better than absolutely
 Og> nothing, or just three dots which was the result of earlier
 Og> implementations.

No, it just further contributes to the dumpster fire that any echo with 
Telegram users turns into.

 Og> Further along into development the feature to actually include
 Og> a Subject was added.

Oh!  But apparently it doesn't work?  Very confusing, you've claimed two 
different things on this, right in this very message.

 Og> Now, IF a TgBBS user fails to enter a Subject, the system will
 Og> take the 1st 40 chars of the message.

Which turns the threading functions into garbage.

 Og> What particularly one (and only one) user is doing in the
 Og> LITRPG echo is failing to enter a Subject *and* not using the
 Og> typical R)eply feature to some messages.  :(

That person should be prevented from posting.

 Og> However it's fairly straight forward to follow the thread since
 Og> most messages are FEW, and chronological and in sequence, and
 Og> MSGID and REPLYIDs are utilized.

But, the thread CAN'T be followed, because there is NO QUOTING or 
CONTEXT visible.  Just random one-line "messages" that have ZERO 
relation to anything.

 Og> Further discussion about all this is best in the dedicated Fido
 Og> FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo.

Yes, that way it won't get wide coverage/discussion, and the "masses" 
will continue to not know what a mess it is.


.... All the easy problems have been solved.
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