Subj : Re: 3.5 weeks to being la To : Vk3jed From : poindexter FORTRAN Date : Thu Aug 11 2022 07:50:00 -=> Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=- Vk> I think the issue is that car dependence is embedded at all levels - Vk> not just local streets, but also in terms of long commutes and a host Vk> of other things. For many shorter trips, bicycles are useful, ebikes Vk> even more so (even with the silly restrictions we have here). In Vk> short, there's no easy solutions, it's got to the point that it will Vk> involve massive social change, along with massive infrastructure Vk> changes. The number of transit systems and plans torn out in the 60s to make way for the auto boom is depressing. In the bay area, there was a rail system that ran from San Francisco across the bay to Oakland and the east bay that was torn out partly through the influence of big oil and the automakers. They ended up building a similar system years later. Vk> Or an ebike :D I'm already planning on reducing my car dependence. Vk> Out here it's impractical to elimate that, but I can dramatically Vk> reduce car use from the current 150km/week or so to a much lower Vk> figure, without having to cut out any activities. I want a moped to relive my high-school years, but I'd need to lose about a hundred pounds. :) There was a group in San Francisco called Moped Army that rodded up mopeds - imagine a 50cc cafe racer "rat bike". Loved seeing them riding in packs through the city (but the noise was deafening, like hundreds of giant mosquitos) .... Back in the stream that feeds the ocean that feeds the stream. --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52 * Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122) .