Subj : Re: 3.5 weeks to being la
To   : esc
From : Vk3jed
Date : Tue Aug 09 2022 20:20:00

-=> On 08-08-22 12:07, esc wrote to Blue White <=-

 BW> Even with the self-driving cars, you do have to pay attention just in
 BW> case you need to overide a decision it has made?

 es> In the industry these are called "disengagements". In an ideal world,
 es> each of these events are studied and understood, and findings are used
 es> to refine the autonomy stack. I can't speak to how well every company
 es> does this, however.

That would be ideal, and also refine the way the system falls back to manual
control, so the driver is properly kept in the loop and can take over when
needed.  I'm not against automation, but I have noticed on some newer cars that
I've driven that the car wasn't good at informing me about what it's doing -
are the headlights on?  fog lights?  etc.

Because my own brain's tracking of the car's state is based on a model, I need
all possible information about the state of the vehicle, so I can take that
into account.  I have the same issue with people too, like those who move
things with telling me - I keep track of a surprising amount of state variables
in my head. :)

 es> The interesting thing about autonomy is that industry knows it's a
 es> foregone conclusion that we're headed that way, but consumers actually
 es> fear the tech so there is no consumer driven market push to get this
 es> tech developed. So in a sense it is in a very weird spot. Additionally,
 es> every company goes about autonomy in a different way...for example,
 es> Tesla /only/ uses cameras, which seems to be working pretty well for
 es> them, however I don't think I would feel comfortable with actual
 es> "autonomy" unless there were additional on-vehicle sensors like LIDAR.

I think a combination od approaches is best - cameras, LIDAR, RADAR (there's
millimetre bands allocated to automotive purposes)

 es> The truly odd thing about the industry and autonomy is that companies
 es> are competing to have the best autonomous platform, however I'm of the
 es> opinion that proper autonomy should be a universal endeavor since safe
 es> on-road experience means everyone wins. I don't think we would ever go
 es> the collective development route without government interference,
 es> though.

One would think having a standard platform across infrastructure to base
automation on would make sense.  Let's see where this ends up.


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