Subj : Re: Housekeeping
To   : tassiebob
From : vorlon
Date : Mon Jul 11 2022 12:06:07

Hi tassiebob,

 > vo> What the *(&%$ rolling out CGN. IPv6 is supported on so many
 > vo> things now. What brain dead moron made that choice....
 > 
 > I agree with you.  Our network has supported dual-stack since forever,
 > but in the residential space having half decent IPv6 support in CPE
 > hardware is only a relatively recent thing - and even today it's not
 > "great".

The usual thing $$ out rulling making it work right.

 > Of course there are CPE devices that do IPv6 just fine - lower end
 > Cisco, Mikrotik, and roll-your-own routers/firewalls - but the average
 > oldies expect to buy a $50 device and have it just work (I'd suggest
 > most people using BBS's are well above the "average oldie" skill

There is the same $$$ over rulling, most isp's supply a router at no
charge to new customers, unless the customer deciced to use an existing
device. It wouldn't be to hard for them to use a better router, and
recover the costs like they do now over time. Most want a 2 year
contract.

 > vo> "IPv4 is enough", until pointing out that for example, Telstra
 > vo> mobiles default to IPv6 and only fall back to IPv4 if they really
 > v> have to.
 > 
 > I'm not sure Telstra even do that any more - didn't they go fully IPv6
 > only on the handsets, and do some sort of translation/proxying for
 > IPv4 endpoints?  I wasn't paying a lot of attention to be honest, but
 > pretty sure they did that 6-12 months back.

Yes, with a memory re-fresh. They went native IPv6, and then
proxi/translation for sites that only had IPv4. (Ala, CGN but in reverse).

 > Well, at some point you'll have to either upskill them on either CGNAT
 > or IPv6, so you may as well do it right the first time.

That's one of the things holding back IPv6 takeup.

 >  vo> There is really no reason to not use IPv6, with dual-stack.
 > 
 > In the residential space there's resistance due to the support
 > overhead of CPE devices that don't work quite right.  Heck, some very
 > popular CPE devices struggle to get IPv4 right (we've found some BNG
 > bugs caused by misbehaving CPE that despite being current models are
 > still running versions of code 10+ years old).

The "hacked" Telstra business router (A netgear under the hood), has
support for IPv6, but the config options for it are very limiting. I
*hate* that router, but then when it's supplied to clients as part of the
connection... Plus the other thing is that it's web interface is *slow*.

 > An ISP we recently acquired does IPv6 by default for residential, and
 > I'm hoping our own brand follows their lead.

That's why I went with internode when moving home four years ago. Native
IPv6, and vie the NBN Fixed-Wireless.

It's only been recently (Past year) that the HFC iinet cable systen
started supporting IPv6. A least they got there...



\/orlon
aka
Stephen


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