Subj : Re: Windows vs Linux
To   : boraxman
From : tenser
Date : Fri Apr 29 2022 13:19:37

On 28 Apr 2022 at 11:08p, boraxman pondered and said...
 
 bo> I'm sorry I brought up ESR's article, because it wasn't the point I
 bo> wanted to made.  /etc/passwd is a little different, but the details
 bo> don't matter.  ESR made a statement that delimited formats are better
 bo> than CSV, in general I think he is right, but there are nuances.

Consider that perhaps Eric Raymond isn't right, or even
as up on these things as he thinks that he is.

 bo>  te> What does that have to do with building software?  Your
 bo>  te> statement was about software development, which is _radically_
 bo>  te> different now than it was in 1999.  Based on this comment
 bo>  te> alone, it seems likely your experience is limited to using
 bo>  te> machines, and you have very limited development experience.
 bo>  te> 
 bo>  te> 
 bo>  te> Sounds like you find yourself in a soul-sucking deadening
 bo>  te> environment.  I'm genuinely sorry for that; however, you
 bo>  te> continue to draw unwarranted conclusions about things generally
 bo>  te> based on your personal experience, which really does not
 bo>  te> follow.  That's called anecdotal evidence, and is a known
 bo>  te> logical fallacy.
 bo>  te> 
 bo> 
 bo> There is a difference between building software, and building solutions. 

This is yet another logical fallacy: moving the goalposts.

If you want to talk about solutions, talk about building
solutions, but don't be surprised when you talk about
building software and are corrected for your inaccuracies
about how software is built.

 bo> When software is created by developers to solve a particular problem, it
 bo> tends to be a monolithic 'suite', often now web based, which attempts to
 bo> capture all workflows, but is usually inflexible (or modifiable at a
 bo> cost).

This appears to have little to do with, say, Linux versus
Windows.

 bo> I do export to CSV, before using in my scripts, and I am aware of the
 bo> API's.  I don't claim it is not possible to create such workflows in
 bo> Windows, only that Windows wasn't designed around this type of computing
 bo> model.

Again, you are conflating the system and the applications
running on that system.  Moreover, I don't think you have
a position from which to make any sort of claim about what
either Windows or Unix/Linux were designed around.

 bo> To some degree, the system has shaped the applications, moreso by
 bo> convention and culture, than by technical necessity.

This remains an unproven assertion, with obvious
counter examples.

 bo> Whereas Unix systems officially support a different GUI.

Nope.  X11 may support different window managers, but
that's not at all the same thing.  Plan 9 can support
different GUIs natively, but not Unix generally.

 bo> My experience isn't the only thing I'm drawing on, but from
 bo> conversations with others.

That is still anecdotal evidence.

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