Subj : Re: SSH on BBSes
To   : boraxman
From : Spectre
Date : Sun Apr 03 2022 21:47:00

 bo> If I'm at a friend party, or a family gathering, no I do not expect people
 bo> to post my photo online.  I am very specific with them about this and I
 bo> have also indicated to the school that my children go to that photos of
 bo> them are not to go on Social Media.

I'm the same with #1 son... no social media, although he's getting to be past
my sphere of influence.  But these are exceptions rather than the rule.

 bo> Regarding the BBS, that again is not true.  One needs to create an account
 bo> to gain access.  This has always been the case, though some have guest
 bo> access.  This is different to a webpage, where the data is freely
 bo> available.

Yeah, nah... only the scope of the audience has changed, and with it the
extended manners of distribution.

 bo> For this discussion to be visible to all, someone has to specifically make
 bo> it available.  It is by default not.

Well yes it is available to any who care to look for it. The method of
"normal" access makes it kind of a clique but it is none the less public
information.  Otherwise there'd be no public echoes or message areas, just
email.  I feel your view is naive.

 bo> I am well aware the prevailing assumption is that everything that happens
 bo> over TCP/IP must be "public", but it is this assumption that I am
 bo> challenging.  It is a culture shift that we need, where we aim for privacy
 bo> instead of openness.  Where we allow, and have, discussions with a
 bo> smaller, limited audience.

Essentially it is, the internet is a large public network. Regardless of
protocol driving it.  You're not going to get the privacy you're looking for
in that environment.  You're looking for a close system, near dial-up style
bbs.. sorry they died a long time ago... with the advent of the first
echonets.  This is one genie thats not going to go back into that bottle, the
world had large appears to have mostly ignored or  become complacent about
privacy.  The best you can achieve is to obscure your footprints.

 bo> If everyone argues the same way that you do, then all our privacy is gone,
 bo> and our lives go under the giant panopticon, to be tracked, catalogued for
 bo> eternity, for every word and discussion we have to be open for scrutinty
 bo> by all.  In other words a dystopia.

Welcome to the real world, brings new meaning to "stop the world I want to
get off".

 bo> I will fight against that.  I do NOT accept this dystopia.  Period, and if

Fight the good fight, its one thats already lost the hearts and minds of most
of the participants.  What you hope to fight is already institutionalised. At
the end of the day there is now very little difference between any data out
on the internet, that originates from any source.

 bo> stayed there.  That is something we've lost, why such reticence to bring
 bo> that back?

Because people don't want it... to much herd mentality going on.

Spec


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