Subj : Re: SSH on BBSes
To   : Spectre
From : boraxman
Date : Sun Apr 03 2022 17:39:19

 Sp> The pub discussion is a bad analogy, a group of colleagues or friends,
 Sp> you'd expect to have a certain level of discretion, and by nature is a
 Sp> fairly but not 100% closed loop. If one of them then did what you're
 Sp> suggesting then it's probably just as much of an indictment of the
 Sp> company you're keeping. By its very nature the BBS is far more open,
 Sp> anyone can read it.. and the network makes that doubly true.
 Sp> 
 Sp> The FacePlant analogy is in some ways even worse. If you're out in
 Sp> public, I believe and I may be wrong, its open season anyone can take
 Sp> your photo and do what they will with it. How do you think tabloid
 Sp> photographers got away with it all those years?  It'd be different if
 Sp> you're in a closed site, be it home or to some degree workplace and that
 Sp> occurred then you'd have something to complain about or seek legal
 Sp> remedy.
 Sp> 

If I'm at a friend party, or a family gathering, no I do not expect people to post my photo online.  I am very specific with them about this and I have also indicated to the school that my children go to that photos of them are not to go on Social Media.

Regarding the BBS, that again is not true.  One needs to create an account to gain access.  This has always been the case, though some have guest access.  This is different to a webpage, where the data is freely available.

For this discussion to be visible to all, someone has to specifically make it available.  It is by default not.

I am well aware the prevailing assumption is that everything that happens over TCP/IP must be "public", but it is this assumption that I am challenging.  It is a culture shift that we need, where we aim for privacy instead of openness.  Where we allow, and have, discussions with a smaller, limited audience.

If everyone argues the same way that you do, then all our privacy is gone, and our lives go under the giant panopticon, to be tracked, catalogued for eternity, for every word and discussion we have to be open for scrutinty by all.  In other words a dystopia.

I will fight against that.  I do NOT accept this dystopia.  Period, and if people insist that the BBS become just another means for people to have everything they say and do open to the entire world, then I'm out of here, and I won't recommend to anyone that they take up BBS as a hobby because it is essentially then no different to any public forum, except less accessible.

The BBS could be an example of a different paradigm, but it seems the interest isn't there.  People neither care about their privacy, what they may have to offer, or avoiding the dystopia that is emerging from the use of post BBS technologies.

It's weird, I don't get it.  The BBS was born of the dial up era, where you dialed into a machine in someones house, and what happened there, stayed there.  That is something we've lost, why such reticence to bring that back?

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