Subj : Re: Vibes To : Avon From : apam Date : Sun Jan 23 2022 15:23:00 -=> On Sun Jan 23 16:43:00 2022, Avon wrote to apam <=- > I agree dead nets are dead if no one posts, I don't agree that people don't post because they don't post... I don't quite get that, people may not post for a bunch of reasons, and I wish I knew them all. I do agree some folks are more chatty and likely to post than others while some just lurk and read etc. What I mean is if no one posts anything then not many other people are likely to post. I should have perhaps written, people don't post because other people don't post. Most people in this hobby aren't conversation starters. > It is interesting to watch a 'dead' echo burst to life when someone posts and others chime in with 'got you here' etc. It's like a high school reunion the frenzy of it all... but often seems to end just as quick, much like a high school reunion too. Yes, because there is no conversation, no one determined enough to grow the net by starting (and continuing) to grow the net. If you weren't such an outgoing person, fsxnet would likely have become another dead net too, but you put the effort in, and I think anyone with the same drive could do that. > People clash irrespective of the number of networks, one might argue even if there was one network only it could try to take steps to mitigate such clashes by offering more echomail areas for people to post in. > > But I don't think that this idea is a starter for 10... an echomail area (regardless of network) is just a few keyboard presses away from another one, and conflict between posters often comes down to their behavior in written text, whatever misunderstandings are inferred during an exchange, and the community / network op feedback on such behavior as to how they feel about / accept or reject it. You're assuming all networks are open for anyone to join and that moderation is the same. Smaller more tight knit groups may be less likley to clash, especially with access restrictions. People can be a part of the greater community by being on a more open and public net, but also have the intamcy of a smaller more private net. > I'm not saying I'm against othernets per se, but I do think in general less is more when the overall user base is not really that huge. Perhaps, if we're talking about several identical networks with the same goals. The same could be said with BBSes. Everyone wants to run a BBS, but barely anyone uses them, yet we encourage, help people set up BBSes, you've even made some nice videos - why not nets? Nets could carry shared echo bases, much like the HAM fsxnet <-> vkradio, everyone would be able to have a go at setting things up. Sure it would be a bit more complex, and it would look different than things look now. Perhaps it would then be more decentralized, but it would be more people at the helm. > I started one up because I wanted to learn about such things. I didn't plan for the numbers who came on board but was gratified by those who did. It does take effort and work to support such things. I think if I and others involved in the scene were not as active then perhaps this network may have long since died a death? I'm not sure, but I'm glad it has not. Lots of people share that interest, and share that desire to tinker. Heck I would say most people here do, if not they probably wouldn't be here. I don't think it's right though to put them off having a go (I'm refering to the inflated ego type posts, not yours in particular). Perhaps better to make them aware that it's a lot of work to make a successful net, but wish them well in there tinkering. (successful net is kind of subjective - I would say happynet is a successful net, though many would probably call it a dead net. There is only a handful of us and much of the time we talk on other nets, but conversations do happen from time to time) Andrew === TitanMail/linux v1.0.9 --- Talisman v0.34-dev (Linux/x86_64) * Origin: HappyLand v2.0 - telnet://happylandbbs.com:11892/ (21:1/182) .