Subj : HVYRAIN: Excessive Rainfall Discussion To : wx-storm@lists.illinois.edu From : COD Weather Processor Date : Thu Oct 05 2023 20:57:12 FOUS30 KWBC 052057 QPFERD Excessive Rainfall Discussion NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD 456 PM EDT Thu Oct 05 2023 Day 1 Valid 16Z Thu Oct 05 2023 - 12Z Fri Oct 06 2023 ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTH TEXAS AND THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL GULF COASTAL PLAIN...' ....16Z Update... There were some adjustments to the on-going Excessive Rainfall Outlook...mainly a trimming of the eastern extent of the Marginal Risk area along the central Gulf of Mexico coastal plain. Latest run of the HREF...associated probabilities and the experimental machine learning guidance from CSU were continuing to focus the higher rates farther west and show a minimal risk of rainfall exceeding flash flood guidance either in the 1 or 3 hour periods.=20 Across Texas and southwest Louisiana...changes were tied to trends in the latest radar and satellite imagery. Bann ....Previous Excessive Rainfall Outlook... A high amplitude long wave trough will continue to progress across the central US into the Midwest/Mississippi River Valley today with an attendant cold front that will be the main driving focus for shower and thunderstorm activity from the Great Lakes to the Southern Plains. Further north, across SE Missouri to Southern LP of Michigan there may some sections particularly across IL and N IND that may have longer duration moderate showers/thunderstorms that may result in longer term 2-3" totals though flooding potential remains below a categorized risk level today mainly driven by lack of instability (~250 J/kg) and deeper layer moisture values (1.0-1.33") to drive intense short-term rain rates necessary for flash flooding concerns. Further south, a much deeper moisture and conditionally unstable environment will precede the cold front. At the start of the period, there appears to remain some potential for some localized ongoing flash flooding across northern and northeast TX, though the shortwave energy at the base of the larger scale trough has started to stretch more positively tilted and become more progressive driving forward (southward) propagation of thunderstorm activity toward the Coastal Plain, angling back over the lower Edwards Plateau/Hill County into South Texas. Ample deep layer moisture of 2-2.25" of Total PWats and 1500 J/kg to 750 J/kg will exist from the Lower Rio Grande toward the southern Triangle/Piney Woods region of eastern TX; maintaining the risk of short-term but very intense rainfall rates in excess of 2"/hr (HREF probability remain 25-50% through out the morning into early afternoon hours. While the front and propagation may be fast southward, the low level confluent inflow and veering toward southwesterly steering flow, may allow for cells to develop upstream and track back against the forward propagation motion for some enhanced short-duration training/repeating; especially closer to the Middle to Upper Texas Coast where 00z Hi-Res guidance and 00z HREF suggest localized spots of 2-4".=20 A secondary axis of enhanced rainfall risk will be along (more likely west of) the Rio Grande River, as channeled return moisture flow responds to the farthest tail-end of shortwave energy.=20 Pooled moisture convergent along the Serranias del Burro mountains may trigger stronger scattered thunderstorms that are probable to track along and south through the Valley increasing potential for scattered 2-3" totals and similar widely scattered flash flooding potential mainly prior to 06.03z.=20 Downstream into the central Gulf Coast...as the early morning convection wanes, the front will continue progress eastward into the Lower Mississippi River Valley, while the deeper moisture from the Western Gulf will not be accessible, lingering moderate to above average moisture will continue to be transported through the Central Gulf and intersect with the approaching front generally around 1.5-1.75" total PWATs. Fairly clear skies should allow for some insolation to destabilize with Hi-Res CAMs suggesting 1000-2000 J/kg of CAPE are possible SE LA in the late evening hours. As such, there has been some increasing signal for potential for intense but more scattered thunderstorms across the central Gulf coast in the late evening hours. Widely scattered incidents of 3-4" are not out of the realm of possibility and given proximity to some urban locations, have decided to expand the Marginal Risk of Excessive Rainfall eastward to generally Mobile Bay to account for this scenario. Gallina Day 2 The Day 2 outlook will be updated by 2030Z. Day 3 Valid 12Z Sat Oct 07 2023 - 12Z Sun Oct 08 2023 ....THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OVER PORTIONS OF THE NORTHEAST... ....2030 UTC Excessive Rainfall Discussion... Tightened up the western boundary of the Slight Risk somewhat but largely left the Slight Risk over Maine pretty much in-tact from the earlier issuance. The concern has been as much about the moisture streaming northward from Philippe and interacting with a cold front as it is about the energy or remnants of Phillipe itself. The large scale synoptics will be undergoing a sharp change with the formation of a deep layered cyclone over eastern North America...resulting in strong mesoscale forcing and increasing upper level divergence in response to the development of a negative tilted trough axis. The resulting low level winds accelerate to between 45 kts and 65 kts and draw with precipitable water values in excess of 1.5 inches inland. The uncertainty is least over Maine where 1 to 3 inches...with isolated maximum rainfall of 5 inches...is most likely given the prolonged period of moisture flux off the ocean. Areas farther inland have more uncertainty...how much/low long there will be instability to support higher rainfall rates...when dry air sweeps eastward in the wake of the upper level negative tilted trough and the magnitude of the cold advection. The 05/12Z UKMET and 05Z/12Z CMC both maintained max QPF amounts in excess of 4 inches due to a deformation zone that they set up in parts of the terrain in western New England. The presumption is that these amounts may be overdone but at least suggestive that subtle changes in model guidance could still yield important QPF differences with implications to excessive rainfall. Bann ....0830 UTC Excessive Rainfall Discussion... ....Northeast... At the start of the forecast period (07.12z), a south to north band of shallow thunderstorms may be training/ongoing along an effective deep layer frontogenetical band in proximity to the Hudson Valley and Western New England as the warm conveyor belt associated with deep sub-tropical moisture associated with Philippe is fluxed westward into deformation axis. To compound the issue, the northern stream shortwave trough will be transitioning from negative tilt to closed low over the Mid-Atlantic; resulting in the deep layer pivot to maintain strong forcing ascent across the Green Mountains into Western NY throughout the morning into the afternoon. Strong moisture flux with nearly 150-180 degrees of convergence of 30-40kts of 850-700mb flow combined with favorable orographic ascent of the warm moist conveyor belt should result in prolonged moderate to occasionally heavy showers into the afternoon hours supporting 24hr totals of 2-4"across VT into W NY, perhaps locally higher in best facing orography; this while scattered showers/totals of 1-3" are more likely further south as the stronger westerly flow undercuts the deeper closed cyclone.=20 Timing/placement of the remnants of Tropical Cyclone Philippe will surge the warm conveyor belt toward Cape Cod by afternoon and while longitudinal placement remains uncertain, the trend toward a stronger closed low over the Mid-Atlantic is supporting a slight westward trend of the axis deep tropical moisture and stronger low level winds (50-60kts) further west potentially grazing the Cape but central Maine should feel the brunt of the prolonged moisture flux resulting in a secondary south to north axis of enhanced rainfall. IVT values 500-750 kg/m/s given 1.75-2" of total PWATs and broad 45-65kts of LLJ southerly flow generally for 12hrs starting around 07.21z, with some localized rates of .5-1"/hr within the core of the conveyor belt resulting in spots of 3-5" by the end of the day 3 period. Both areas are likely to see scattered incidents of flooding, perhaps isolated rapid inundation flooding given the aforementioned potential of rain-rates.=20=20 Between the two axes, there is solid model agreement that the mid-level drying is expected and generally aligns with southeastern New England. As such, a Slight Risk of Excessive Rainfall remains in place across these axes based on fairly solid model agreement in the global guidance suite with small adjustments for better agreement in the placement of the dry slot. An upgrade to Moderate Risk may be necessary based on how rain falls through the day 2 period and potentially further saturates areas for the day 3 period.=20 Gallina Day 1 threat area: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.go= v/qpf/94epoints.txt__;!!DZ3fjg!9YLImX4dH89KAOKsi1UDd3rkE4KiHZbUbG94_5avj_oM= jZfMViquRTUIVI2amtELNrPttAdLo04Evz1uCHqkzVI44dc$=20 Day 2 threat area: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.go= v/qpf/98epoints.txt__;!!DZ3fjg!9YLImX4dH89KAOKsi1UDd3rkE4KiHZbUbG94_5avj_oM= jZfMViquRTUIVI2amtELNrPttAdLo04Evz1uCHqkT3v3HTU$=20 Day 3 threat area: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.go= v/qpf/99epoints.txt__;!!DZ3fjg!9YLImX4dH89KAOKsi1UDd3rkE4KiHZbUbG94_5avj_oM= jZfMViquRTUIVI2amtELNrPttAdLo04Evz1uCHqkYx9o51E$=20 $$ =3D =3D =3D To unsubscribe from WX-STORM and you already have a login, go to https://lists.illinois.edu and use the "Unsubscribe" link. 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