Subj : Re: IDW Does Harlan Ellison To : All From : A Friend Date : Tue Jul 15 2014 16:18:57 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos From Address: nope@noway.com Subject: Re: IDW Does Harlan Ellison In article , David Johnston wrote: > On 7/15/2014 9:23 AM, A Friend wrote: > > In article , Daniel > > wrote: > > > >> On 15/07/2014 12:30 PM, A Friend wrote: > >>> In article , Jim G. > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> A classic revisited, just as Harlan envisioned it... > >>>> > >>>> The City that Never Sleeps or Goes Away: Harlan Ellison and Star Trek, > >>>> Again > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/07/the-city-that-never-sleeps-or-goes-away- > >>>> ha > >>>> rla > >>>> n-ellison-and-star-trek-again > >>>> or http://preview.tinyurl.com/l4sppdm > >>>> > >>>> QUOTE > >>>> Adapted for the comics by IDWrCUs primary Trek writers Scott and David > >>>> Tipton, and with beautiful art by J.K. Woodward (who did slick work on > >>>> the Doctor Who/TNG crossover a few years ago) everything about this > >>>> release is totally legit. In the debut issue of this limited run (there > >>>> will be five in all) IDW Trek editor Chris Ryall writes fondly about how > >>>> this venture was his idea, and one that took some convincing of > >>>> everybody to go along with. In his words, over time rCRnosrC# turned into > >>>> rCRhmmmms.rC# > >>>> END QUOTE > >>>> > >>>> Okay, so how long until Ellison sues IDW over something about this? > >>> > >>> > >>> I read the original script about 35 years ago, and I don't remember > >>> anything about a Bizarro World Enterprise. > >>> > >>> The article asks the question, "And yet, now nearly 50 years later, > >>> with numerous Treks behind us, the question still nags: would EllisonrCOs > >>> original script for rCLThe City on the Edge of Forever,rCY have been better > >>> than what ended up on screen?" I don't think so. The story is not > >>> about Beckwith, it's about Kirk and Edith Keeler, and Kirk's duty to > >>> history and the future. The story didn't require Beckwith or anybody > >>> like Beckwith. Accidentally overdosing McCoy gets things rolling quite > >>> nicely. > >>> > >>> Ellison's ending -- with Beckwith stuck in a time loop getting > >>> annihilated every few seconds inside a nova -- is beyond melodramatic. > >>> In the show as seen, Kirk's final line, "Let's get the hell out of > >>> here," is powerful, especially in a day when saying "hell" on U.S. tv > >>> was a very rare thing indeed. > >>> > >>> BTW the really confusing thing about City is just how history was > >>> changed. Everybody thinks McCoy saved Edith from getting run over by > >>> that truck, and that wasn't the case. The creepy little guy at the > >>> rescue mission (his name in Ellison's script is Rodent) eventually > >>> rapes and murders Edith. He doesn't do so in the changed history > >>> because he fiddled with McCoy's phaser and disintegrated himself. The > >>> significance of this was purposefully obscured, but that's why the > >>> phaser scene is in there. What's also not explained is why Kirk and > >>> Spock simply didn't take Edith with them into the future, which would > >>> have effectively "killed" her in 1930. Neither story ever explains why > >>> Edith's death was necessary. > >>> > >>> Also, Clark Gable didn't make a movie until 1931. > >>> > >> Hasn't the Edith Keeler story line been mentioned here as a possible ST > >> 13 re-do storyline?? > > > > > > Not a chance. Nobody's going to touch it. They don't need the almost > > certain litigation. Even the Pocket Books novels and various comics > > don't use or refer to City. > > You DO know that this whole thread is about a comic book adaptation of > the original script, right? Well, that's fairly condescending. This is a conversation. Right now I'm talking about the history of City and Ellison's litigation concerning same, with specific reference to a possible future film. The IDW comic is not a future film. (You'll note that someone has jokingly -- I hope -- wondered how long it will be before Ellison sues IDW.) No one is going to remake City for the reasons I gave. If you think otherwise, you're deluded. BTW, to clarify, there are references to the Guardian of Forever in about a dozen other Trekkish works (this is part of Ellison's 2009 lawsuit), but none that I can find to Edith Keeler or even to Kirk and Spock's time-trip to 1930, which is what I had in mind. --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux NewsLink 1.92-mlp --- SBBSecho 2.12-Linux * Origin: telnet & http://cco.ath.cx - Dial-Up: 502-875-8938 (1:2320/105.1) .