Subj : RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo To : cplc From : jwalker@prolifedallas.org Date : Thu Jan 31 2019 19:20:14 Received: by rdfig.net (Wildcat! SMTP Router v7.0.454.4) for CPLC@rdfig.net; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:59:28 -0500 Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([213.199.154.208]) by rdfig.net (Wildcat! 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Jim From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Betty= Cullling, CPLC Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:55 PM To: CPLC@rdfig.net Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo Jim, why am I getting these emails to Ruben? Thank you for helping to keep our children and all those who are at risk, s= afe. Betty Culling Safety Director Catholic Pro-Life Committee of North Texas Respect Life Ministry of the Diocese of Dallas Devoted to ending abortion and restoring respect for life Phone 903-587-2366 Fax 888-816-7923 www.prolifedallas.org bculling@prolifedallas.org From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@= gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walker, CPLC Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:51 PM To: CPLC@rdfig.net Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo Please call me when you have time. 972-270-3019. Jim From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@= gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walker, CPLC Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:43 PM To: CPLC@rdfig.net Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo Don't you return phone calls any more. Jim From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@= gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 10:40 AM To: cplc@rdfig.net Cc: sales@dallascoolerservice.com Subject: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo by Leo A. Notenboom, (c) 2013 During my recent two-month sabbatical, I took the opportunity to do a few t= hings that I'd been putting off. One of those things was to upgrade my main machine - a nearly five-year-old= , quad-core desktop with eight gigabytes of RAM - to Windows 8. Not a dual = boot. Not a "try it in a virtual machine." No, this was a commitment. I did= this with the intent to completely commit to Windows 8 moving forward and = suffer through whatever it is that I'd been hearing of from people for the = previous few months. I was deeply disappointed. Not by Windows 8. With only a couple of exceptions, it's been great. Instead, I'm disappointed by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that = I've been hearing from readers and in the tech press. If you're good with Windows 7, then you can be just fine with Windows 8. Mo= stly because, Windows 8 essentially is Windows 7. I can hear heads exploding already. Let me explain. * Disregarding my own advice I started my process by completely disregarding what I've long held as a st= andard piece1 of advice when moving from one= version of Windows to another: do a clean install. I didn't. I did an actual in-place upgrade of the Windows 7 Pro. Yep, I totally under= stand that reformatting and starting from scratch is a royal pain. I'm prob= ably worse than most in having lots and lots of different applications and = utilities and other what-nots installed and customized on my machine - espe= cially the one that I use every day. I didn't relish the thought of having = to reinstall and reconfigure everything again. I also wanted to tempt fate. In a sense, I wanted to experience the worse-c= ase scenario so that I could see just how bad it might be and hopefully gai= n a better understanding of why people were complaining. It was not to be. It. Just. Worked. In fact, it was one of the smoothest upgrades that I'd ever done. After the= upgrade, my machine rebooted and I was looking at a Windows 8 that looked = amazingly like the Windows 7 that preceded it. The reason why my 8 looks like my 7 What tends to freak people out the most about Windows 8 is the tiled Start = screen. My machine bypasses that on boot and lands directly on the desktop. Here's what a common Windows 7 desktop looks like: [Windows 7 Desktop] And here's what a Windows 8 desktop looks like as I have it running: [Windows 8 Desktop] (Full disclosure: That's not my actual desktop, but a virtual machine confi= gured the same way.) They look pretty similar, don't they? All I did is install exactly one free= program that I've discussed before:Classic Shell .. Now, you can argue all day about whether Microsoft should have made a tradi= tional Start menu an option in Windows 8 or not, but the fact is that they = did not. As a result, Classic Shell (and several other similar programs) so= lve the problem quickly and for free. In my case, I had already installed Classic Shell in Windows 7 as part of m= y earlier evaluation and elected to leave it there. Like almost everything = else on the machine, it survived the upgrade and worked. The tiled Start sc= reen appeared for a moment and then was replaced by a very familiar desktop= , complete with my prior customizations. Seriously, running Windows 8 with Classic Shell is pretty darned close to r= unning Windows 7. What didn't work That's not to say that there weren't any issues. Here's what I did encounte= r: * The Display Link software that supports my three-monitor setup "disap= peared" after a while. I never really bothered to find out why or how, beca= use after a while, I rebooted the machine and it began working. I suspect t= hat it was updated at some point by Windows Update to work with Windows 8.<= http://ask-leo.com/classic_shell_regain_your_start_menu_in_windows_8_and_mu= ch_more.html> * My backup software, Macrium Reflect, required that I reenter the prod= uct key before it would work. * My old HP Color Laser Jet 2600n network printer reports an error afte= r every print, even though the print actually succeeds. Fortunately, trying= to be as paperless as possible, I don't print often these days. * My long favorite ftp software, WebDrive, failed; the version I was ru= nning didn't support Windows 8. A newer $60 upgrade would, but my reliance = on the software has declined over the years. For now, I opted for FileZilla= , another free ftp/sftp solution. * Not only is my long-time favorite virtual machine software, Parallels= Workstation, not supported on Windows 8, but it turns out to be completely= discontinued on Windows. (Parallels is focusing on their "run Windows on y= our Mac" product and their higher-end server offerings.) This ended up bein= g the single biggest expenditure of time, as I converted several virtual ma= chines over to Oracle's VM VirtualBox. After close to two months of normal usage, that's honestly it. Everything e= lse, including all of my other "major" applications like Microsoft Office, = Photoshop, even World of Warcraft, worked fine. Heck, a few things surprised me by just working! For example, the keyboard = macro software that I use,Auto Hotkey, Classic Shell (as I mentioned above)= , and my system's sound support2 which is often a cause of problems for fol= ks. My recommendation [Windows 8: DON'T PANIC!] With a fair amount of Windows 8 experience under my belt, the recommendatio= n I've been making for some time doesn't actually change much: * As good as it is, I've not found a truly compelling reason to upgrade= from Windows 7. If you have Windows 7 and you're happy, I wouldn't yet bot= her to upgrade. * On the other hand, if you have a tablet/touch screen computer, then W= indows 8 is absolutely the way to go. * If you get a new machine and it comes with Windows 8 pre-installed, D= ON'T PANIC. Instead: * Realize that the tiled Start screen is nothing more than the old S= tart menu except that it fills the entire screen and has bigger buttons. Re= ally. That's all it is. Sometimes, that conceptual understanding makes it e= asier for folks to get used to it. * If that doesn't do it for you, then do not hesitate to install Cla= ssic Shell to get your Start button and traditional Start menu back. Once y= ou do, you'll feel right at home. I'll have more on it in a future article, but if you're using Windows 8 on = a traditional desktop or laptop, I also recommend that you avoid using the = apps that are part of the tiled Start screen as much as possible. Instead, = use the ones that you find on your traditional desktop. There are a few got= chas - for example, the tiled Internet Explorer isn't quite the same as the= Internet Explorer launched from the desktop (ditto for Skype, Kindle Reade= r, and probably several others). Unless you're actually on a tablet - and p= erhaps even a smaller one at that - the desktop applications are probably p= referable and less confusing when making the transition. Bottom line: I just don't get it So with all that being my experience so far, I have to say: I just don't ge= t it. I just don't understand the Windows 8 haters. The single biggest objection = - the tiled Start menu - is so easily dealt with that I have a hard time un= derstanding where all the vitriol comes from... although I fully expect fol= ks to try to educate me in the comments below [Smile] . 1: One piece of advice that I did follow was to perform a full image backup= before the upgrade. You just never know. If the worst happened, I could re= latively quickly reset my machine to its un-upgraded state. 2: Doubly surprising because this isn't a national name brand machine, but = rather one from a local vendor. Ruben Figueroa = Ruben D. 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I don’t know they c= ame back to me also.  Jim

From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@gmail.com= ] On Behalf Of Betty Cullling, CPLC
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:55 PM
To: CPLC@rdfig.net
Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo

 

Jim, why am I getting the= se emails to Ruben?

 <= /p>

Thank you for helping = to keep our children and all those who are at risk, safe.

&nbs= p;

Betty Cul= ling

Safety= Director

Cathol= ic Pro-Life Committee of North Texas

Respect= Life Ministry of the Diocese of Dallas

Devo= ted to ending abortion and restoring respect for life

Phone 903-= 587-2366

Fax 888-81= 6-7923

www.prolifedallas.org

bculling@prolifedallas.org<= /o:p>

 <= /p>

From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walker, CPLC
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:51 PM
To: CPLC@rdfig.net
Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo

 

Please call me when you h= ave time. 972-270-3019.  Jim

 <= /p>

From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walker, CPLC
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:43 PM
To: CPLC@rdfig.net
Subject: RE: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo

 

Don’t you return ph= one calls any more.   Jim

 <= /p>

From: rdfigueroa@gmail.com [mailto:rdfigueroa@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 10:40 AM
To: cplc@rdfig.net
Cc: sales@dallascoo= lerservice.com
Subject: [CPLC] Info on Windows 8 by Leo

 

by Leo A. Notenboom, © 2013

Durin= g my recent two-month sabbatical, I took the opportunity to do a few things= that I'd been putting off.

One o= f those things was to upgrade my main machine - a nearly five-year-old, qua= d-core desktop with eight gigabytes of RAM - to Windows 8. Not a dual boot.= Not a "try it in a virtual machine." No, this was a commitment. I did this with the intent to completely commit to Windows 8 moving forwar= d and suffer through whatever it is that I'd been hearing of from people fo= r the previous few months.

I was= deeply disappointed.

Not b= y Windows 8. With only a couple of exceptions, it's been great.<= /span>

Inste= ad, I'm disappointed by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that I've = been hearing from readers and in the tech press.

If yo= u're good with Windows 7, then you can be just fine with Windows 8. Mostly = because, Windows 8 essentially is Windows 7.

I can= hear heads exploding already. Let me explain.

•

Disregarding my own advice

I sta= rted my process by completely disregarding what I've long held as a standar= d piece