Subj : Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be To : All From : SW@O.TL Date : Thu Jan 31 2019 19:20:06 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september ..org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-septemb er.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: SWOTL Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,utah.general,dfw.politics,co.politics,az.politics Subject: Re: Scientists: Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be uninhabitable within 25 years, desert within 50! Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <9tf9089jelqdggcefmpuel9o4n8cq3o766@4ax.com> <80ug08tn457usqg3k8q56vugs5e3mo2jpb@4ax.com> <0jqi08tg07o9b24rsnfdlhkg2v0ljgj1is@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="f6119faf8424188f0a2508885fca7f7c"; logging-data="4512"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18fJ1uRk2xJgMXfr6/h9jJWJz8blZLp5x4=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.6esrpre) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/10.0.6 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:oEjvivE5W4/2IoDx812w6hu0430= Xref: news.eternal-september.org talk.politics.misc:13148 utah.general:32 dfw.politics:153 co.politics:43 az.politics:2236 On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL wrote: > >> ... droughts that preceded the >> disappearance of the Anasazi ... > > Do you believe they would somehow dispute that > human activity contributes to desertification? I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe, nor can you. > "The process occurs due to both natural and human causes." > > http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html The "process" not in effect across the entire inter-mountain West, and especially NOT present at High Park or Waldo Canyon. Localized "desertification" in the Colorado Plateau did NOT cause the current La Nina drought, nor did it cause the large Colorado wildfires in High Park or Waldo Canyon. Learn to read maps: http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL wrote: > >> ... can not tolerate being factually >> contradicted. > > No wonder you ignore the facts, then. Why do you think High Park or Waldo Canyon are located in the Colorado Plateau? > There are many factors which affect climate. > > Make a note of it. Which factors have caused the 1904 La Nina ? http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html What is La Niña? La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions. Previous Cold Phases La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950, 1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995 Typical La Niña Impacts La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier. > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL wrote: > >> Did "Americans" ... > > You seem to be posting repeated identical messages, > which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the > fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a > valid point of some sort. Just answer the question, what did the Anasazi do to their climate to cause the 16th century drought? > Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth > human activity can't do so also? Human activity did not cause the La Nina 2011-12 drought. > Undisputed: > > http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian prairie provinces. Do try a more relevant cite. > Also undisputed: > > "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper > woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau" > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385 I believe that past range management practices contributed to isolated local effects in areas of Colorado NOT currently burning. You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic illiteracy is so evident: http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1 * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013) .