Subj : Changing Times... 1A. To : Richard Webb From : Ardith Hinton Date : Fri Mar 02 2018 02:36:56 Hi, Richard! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton: AH> We have IEP's here too. As a teacher, I wrote some of AH> them.... ;-) RW> THought you might. oUr systems are similar in RW> many ways I understand . Uh-huh. Folks in Canada as well as the US also have the Vietnam war vets to thank for a bit of consciousness-raising about wheelchair access. :-) AH> As a former teacher & as a parent, I expect to work on a AH> collegial basis with professionals. AFAIC the real gems AH> actually appreciate that. :-)) RW> THose who really have a grasp of what's going on wish for RW> that sort of relationship with all the parents of their RW> students Those who really have a grasp of what's going on know how much there is still to be learned, when any one answer may raise ten more questions. :-) [re "talking books"] AH> in my experience kids generally prefer to have some AH> opportunity to interact with the reader.... :-) RW> YEp, and it's difficult if at the learning stage you RW> use recorded books and readers to learn much about RW> your written language. I imagine it would be! Even now, I read to our young adult daughter on occasion. It helps that (unlike the majority of other students I've known) she'll ask about words she doesn't understand. If she doesn't ask directly, I can tell by her raised eyebrows or by a slight shift in her body position that she's puzzled about something. I know she's paying attention because she will correct me if I've misread a word or she'll insist I look it up if she doesn't approve of my explanation. For a teacher, it can't get much better than this. For a student, it's important to get feedback from the opposite direction too. Who else would notice & chuckle openly in delight, after all these years, when their kid uses a new word?? AFAIC a recording is no serious competition. ;-) RW> tHe theory ended up further handicapping a generation RW> of blind youth, and that slide down the slippery slope RW> continues to this day. I'm seeing much the same phenomenon WRT English grammar. During the 1960's some influential linguists felt dictionaries should be descriptive, not prescriptive... and sought to improve on ye olde parts of speech etc. The net result seems to be that very few people can write a coherent sentence nowadays unless they are in the "fifty-five plus" age category or learning English as a second language. Parents thanked me for teaching traditional grammar during a time when other folks supported the idea that whatever the majority of kids in grade eight said was okay. Although hindsight may be 20/20, there is no going back because the younger generation of teachers never learned this stuff. :-( RW> WE reject what we don't understand, or try to ignore it RW> altogether. THey started me in that "Sightsaver" thing RW> when I first started school, but my mother wasn't going RW> to have any of that nonsense. And since her brother was blind, she knew whereof she spoke.... :-) RW> SUch things have caused me over the years to develop a RW> bit of schepticism toward any professional that comes to RW> me with an attitude of "trust me, I know what's best for RW> you" and won't discuss his/her intended course of action RW> in much more detail than that. Their preferred learning style is different from yours & mine. They like to be told what to do, where you & I thrive on analyzing individual needs and doing whatever is necessary to maximize somebody's potential. Whether the individual in question is a performer who wants you to make them sound good or a kid who can't relate to standard teaching methods we're in our element. :-) --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716) .