Subj : Re: Happy Voting To : Alan Ianson From : jimmylogan Date : Fri Nov 08 2024 19:47:42 -=> Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=- > I think our definition of 'killing' is different. I understand > it to be ending a life. AI> Our definition of killing is much the same I think. AI> If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed. Then our definition is NOT the same. >> Does the same go for one that is already born? >> Of course not. That isn't happening and I don't understand why you >> bring it up. >> Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it a chance at life? >> Same response. Why do you bring that up? > Because I'm asking what the difference is between a baby BEFORE it > is born and a baby AFTER it is born. If it is simply LOCATION, then > why is it okay on one hand and wrong on the other? AI> A baby is born after a 9 month gestation period. Is a premature birth still a baby worth defending? What about the day BEFORE that premature birth? > I'm trying to point out that it is LIFE in both cases. If you are > for LIFE and defending children (which you haven't said you are > for or against - only pointed out that it is 'murder' - you didn't > say if you were okay with it) then why not in all locations? AI> It is the womans life until it is born. So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs? Etc.? >> Abortion is health care. Today in America women who need health care >> are turned away from hospitals because doctors are afraid they will be >> sued/jailed for giving a woman the care she needs. > Women "NEED" abortions. That's the part I can't get behind. AI> That's what I have been reading. Good. I'm not failing to make my stand known then. :-) > A woman "NEEDS" to kill her unborn child. AI> There is no child at that point, no killing is taking place. And that is something I guess we'll never agree on. I will firmly defend the life inside the woman just as strongly as the life outside the woman - and the woman's life too. > I don't understand how that has become the norm in this country. AI> What's right for you might not be right for someone else. AI> No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. Why would you force AI> someone to carry a child to term? There are many valid reasons why a AI> woman might choose an abortion. Again, we disagree on the definition of 'valid.' And you're right, no one is forcing abortions. They are being celebrated though, and that turns my stomach... >> There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up. > I have heard of ONE case like this - only one - but it is broght up all > the time, even here in Tennessee. AI> There are several recent cases, another in Texas. > I need to reveiw the details but my understanding is the person didn't die > because the doctor was scared to give a simple procedure (yes, simple - my > wife had a D&C after our first child was lost in a miscarriage in 1990). My > understanding was there were other factors. AI> In the case I was talking about the woman was turned away because her AI> condition was not life threatening and they had to wait until it was. AI> After a short time her condition did become life threatening and did in AI> fact end her life before she could be receive the care she needed. I would like to review the facts myself. Is that Texas? Or somewhere else? Okay - I looked it up. Looks like the SECOND attending physician made a HUGE mistake. The article I read blames the anti-abortion laws, but also points out the same doctor made other mistakes in the past on non-pregnant people. My takeaway is that it is VERY very sad what happened, but saying that abortion shouldn't be illegal doesn't fix when doctors make mistakes. > The point being, women have miscarriages all the time, sadly, and > medical procedures to take care of them still happen all the time. I've > seen no proof that doctors are 'scared,' just rhetoric about it. AI> That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today. Okay - it's MOSTLY rhetoric, at least in my state. Left leaning legislaters want to say, "doctors are leaving the state becasue they are scared," when the truth is they are leaving because they can't perform abortions - something they make money on. AI> Now that the states are in charge it is my hope that states will step AI> up and that doctors will be free from fear of litigation or AI> imprisonment to care for women when needed. Again, I'll disagree on the word 'care' there. Your form of care sounds like abortion on demand, and I hope the states will rise up and NOT allow it. Sadly selfishness has come out on top in a lot of states thus far. .... AAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse --- MultiMail/Mac v0.52 * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (1:105/7) .