Subj : Re: Women: Enough with th To : IB JOE From : Mike Powell Date : Mon Aug 19 2024 11:06:00 >Abortion is legal in all 50 states. What is different now is there are states >that won't do it after so many weeks ...a few are even looking at heart beat >rule. If you really want to kill your baby you have options No it is not. Just looking at my state, states that surround it, and a couple of others I am aware of because they've been in the news: *Illegal* in Kentucky, since August, 2022 unless there is a proven risk of possible death or permanent injury to the mother. There is no rape or incest exception. *Illegal* in Missouri except in cases of medical emergency. No rape or incest exceptions. *Illegal* in Alabama since June, 2022, unless there is a serious health risk to the mother. There is no rape or incest exception. IVF is also on shaky ground there as frozen embryoes are considered living children. *Illegal* in West Virginia except in cases of rape, incest, fatal fetal abnormalities, or when the mother's life is at risk. *Illegal* in Tennessee, "from the moment of fertilization," unless the mother's life is at risk or if the mother has a "serious risk of substantial, irreversable impairment of a major bodily function." No apparent excetions for rape or incest. *Illegal* in Indiana unless fatal fetal abnormalitis are detected; if the life or physical health of the mother are at risk; or within the first 10 weeks in the case of rape or incest. *Legal* in Ohio up until the point of "fetal viability," and this is a part of their state constitution. *Legal* in Virginia until the end of the second trimester. *Legal* In Illinois, and I could not find any mention of restriction, other than infaticide is illegal. *Legal* in your home state of Florida, *if* it happens within the first 6 weeks; within the first 15 weeks if the women can prove the pregnancy was the result of rape, incest, or human trafficking; before the third trimester if 2 doctors certify a fetal abnormality or; at any time, with a doctor's certification, if the mother faces issues similar to the health exceptions that Tennessee allows. IMHO, Ohio got it right. Maybe Virginia got it right. The other states are too restrictive, except Illinois which may not be restrictive enough. > There was a time California was offering taxpayer funded flights for anyone wh > wanted an abortion... Sometimes the distance between states is a short drive.. > Maybe you live in Indiana and you had to drive to Illinois because of law > variations... You still get the abortion... So now you are admitting it might be illegal in some states? As I pointed out before, we had a Republican governor's candidate here, who made it to the general election, that wanted to track (and restrict) the movements of women of child bearing age to make sure they didn't travel to Illinois or Virginia. His supporters supported that idea. Luckily he lost. Also, although it is legal in some states, where you have to drive to in order to get one might make things difficult. When it was legal in Kentucky, there was only *one* clinic, in Louisville, that would perform abortions. Towards the time it became illegal, there were two, both in Louisville. There were plenty of other places that masqueraded as "clinics" but that wouldn't actually provide abortions to women who showed up there. Most of them didn't even have doctors on staff. You also have to have someone willing to travel with you, who can drive, which brings us to... > Women have all kinds of support. Support depends on whether or not baby daddy accepts that it is his, and what your family (especially parents) think of a potential out-of-wedlock kid, and whether or not you can find someone willing to drive you to and from whatever city in whatever state that actually will allow you to get the procedure done. > Women can have sex with as many partners as > they want. Shaming women for open sexuality is a thing of the past... for the > most part. I think some of this depends on where you live. Not being shamed is not a thing of the past here. Maybe in Florida it is, but not in most of the South, or Midwest. > They have access to all kinds of contraception, all kinds. This also depends some on where you live, whether or not you can take birth control pills (some women cannot), and also whether or not your partner is willing to use the types available to him. > If you go ahead with the baby. The baby daddy will be on the hook to pay for > the next 25 years... Maybe, maybe not. I used to work with Child Support here in Kentucky, and there are a lot of ways baby daddy can get out of paying, including being violent towards mother or baby. > And all I think... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... If you want an abortion do it in the > first trimester... if you need on after that point there needs to be a reason. I mostly agree. After the point of fetal viability, it should be questioned. > MP> They were not talking about viable births. The discussion at that point > MP> would be do we let the non-viable born baby die naturally, or extend its > MP> life with pallative care until the parents are ready to pull the plug. > MP> Just like with any other dying person. > Problem is I heard it myself. A Dr should through everything he knows into > saving lives. I understand old people may have "Do Not Resuscitate" orders on > their records... I understand that. > You don't take a new born baby make it comfortable while you talk to mom about > killing it. You should if it is dying and there is no hope of saving it. Do you think they should leave baby uncomfortable, not discuss what to do, and just wait for baby to die? > The US is the only country that guarantees individual rights... I know of no > other that has the setup like the US has. Agreed. * SLMR 2.1a * "Ummm, trouble with grammar have I? Yes!" --Yoda --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105) .