Subj : Re: Finally
To   : Aaron Thomas
From : Mike Powell
Date : Mon Jul 29 2024 09:11:12

 > Sometimes the laws that we desire correspond with religion. In Christianity,
 > "Thou shall not kill" is synonymous with "Murder in the 1st degree." And
 > many people will argue that abortion is synonymous with 1st degree murder.

Most Atheists know that murder is wrong.  My recollection is that I knew murder
was wrong before learning my Ten Commandments.  Only sociopaths and other sick
people don't understand that.

I also find it really odd that many of the religions that believe that
"abortion (even before viability) is murder" are also the same ones that will
tell the grieving parents of a miscarried or stillborn baby "because your kid
didn't live to be christened, its soul will forever be separated from the
Lord."

It would be more sensible, and much more compassionate, to just admit that baby
wasn't born alive and/or viable so they are not condemned to an eternal life of
torment. That would mean admitting that maybe life doesn't begin at conception,
which would ruin all their fun.

 > Similarly, the left has created laws that correspond with sacrilege.
 > Example: Virginia Democrats passed legislation that allows (or allowed)
 > doctors to murder newborns (post-birth abortions.) Does that solve the
 > problem of conservatives embroiling the law with Christianity in Virginia?

Virginia *never* had such a law, nor did they ever have one being considered.
Infanticide is, and has been, illegal in all 50 states.  That Virginia had such
a law even being considered is a falsehood put forth by anti-abortion
activists.

Their governor also never suggested such a law.  During the interview in
question, he explained what happens when a baby is born that is not viable --
medical staff makes it comfortable and *resuscitates* (you cannot resuscitate
something that is *alive*) and then the parents and doctors would need to
decide what happens next.

You do realize that is how nonviable births are handled pretty much everywhere
there is modern medical care involved, right???

The bill in question would have allowed late term abortions, with the consent
of the mother and more than one physician, when it is determined that the baby
won't be viable or that a live birth puts the mother's life at risk.  It would
have only allowed these procedures in circumstances of complications and not
"on demand."

It would not have allowed a woman in labor, or her doctor, to terminate her
pregnancy.

So, no, there is not, and was not, a pro-infanticide bill being considered in
Virginia.  No states currently have any laws allowing abortion/infanticide
during or after labor begins. 

 > There will be times when the majority will want the same thing that
 > Christians want (I think it happens quite often.)

On things that everyone knows are wrong, regardless of religion, I would agree.
On things like aborting non-viable fetuses; not allowing abortions in cases of
rape, incest, or danger to the mother; now allowing IVF; allowing taxpayer
funded adoption agencies to reject adoption requests based on religious
beliefs... no I don't think that is the case.

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