Subj : Re: Finally
To   : AARON THOMAS
From : Mike Powell
Date : Tue Jul 23 2024 10:11:00

>  MP> And *religious* conservatives don't force their beliefs on others?

>  MP> I would agree that *used* to be a difference, but the MAGA crowd has
>  MP> mastered the art of the shout-down just as well as the lefties ever
>  MP> could.

> I haven't seen religion being forced on anybody,

Pro-Life rulings -- All recent state laws banning abortions --
including some that "forgot" to include language exempting cases of rape,
incest, and danger to the mother -- were backed by/forced through by religious
conservatives.  Other laws, that would allow the travel of women of child-
bearing years to be tracked without their consent, were considered and were
also backed by religious conservatives.

Anti-IVF rulings.  Alabama's pro-life laws were so strict that an IVF
clinic where frozen embryos are accidentally killed (example - power outage
or natural disaster causes freezers to stop working) could face murder charges
under the state's Wrongful Death Act because the frozen embryos were
considered human beings.  IVF clinics had to stop assisting couples with
fertility issues.  The state legislature has since passed a law making IVF
clinics immue from civil and criminal prosecution, but there may still
exist loopholes around this new law that would allow prosecution.

Anti-porn laws that go beyond keeping it out of reach of children, and
which are geared around collecting personal data without consent.

Any number of "blue laws" that make it illegal to sell liquor and other
products on Sundays.

Some states have laws that allow *taxpayer-funded* adoption agencies to
deny service under circumstances that conflict with religious beliefs (i.e.
to make it leagal to deny same-sex couples the right to adopt).

> and I haven't seen religion hurting anybody.

All of the above are based in religion.  The laws that jeopardized IVF;
that didn't exempt victims of rape or incest, or women in danger, from
abortion prosecution; and that allow *taxpayer-funded* agencies to
deny adoptions based on religious beliefs, DO hurt people.

> But liberals forced covid-19 vaccinations on us,

Operation Warp Speed was a Trump initiative, and was something that
liberals like Kamala Harris and Whoopie Goldberg originally spoke out
against (they both made anti-vax statements before the election).

So unless Trump is a lefty, or Kamala and Whoopie are conservatives, that
dog doesn't hunt.

> But somebody forced a liberal to recite a prayer or something?

No, but they can force people to do (or NOT be able to do) things based on
the religious beliefs of others.


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