Subj : Re: Ride the Red Wave? To : Mike Powell From : Ron L. Date : Sat Nov 11 2023 08:42:22 -=> Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=- MP> The problem I see here is if they don't even cheat, and Trump doesn't MP> win (which I think is quite possible), everyone will assume that they MP> did cheat because die-hard Trump supporters believe he cannot be MP> defeated and don't seem to realize that his message does not resonate MP> as well with others as it does with them. Well, that's what happen when cheating happens once, and nothing is done about it. The Elitists won't prosecute their own operatives. MP> When he talks about his accomplishments (better economy, fewer MP> international issues, etc.), that resonates well with me (for example) MP> because I can see all of this and agree he did a *lot* better. Biden MP> has given him plenty of (bad) examples to contrast with. I think we can argue that Biden is not completely useless. He's a great example of a bad President. Of course, we should have learned that with Carter. MP> When he is busy name calling or reminding everyone that he only lost MP> because "they" cheated, it does not resonate with me as much. But to many, he's just stating the obvious. And the name calling is appropriate because he's pointing out that these people who are trying to pass themselves off as "experts" are anything but and should be ignored. MP> I don't think the personal attacks work, It depends on who he's attacking. I've only ever seen him attack Elitists who attacked him first. And, to me, his attacks are right on the money. MP> If he continues as is, he is only preaching to his base... just like MP> Hillary did in 2016 and just like he did in 2020. He needs to get back MP> to preaching to everyone, which is what won him the 2016 election. I think you are way off here. As we talked about before, the people with TDS will never vote for Trump. So there's no point in trying to preach to them. The people who love Trump will always vote for him, so he doesn't need to preach to him. So there's the two "bases". It's the middle people that he needs to talk to. And they already recognize that they were much better off than under the Elitists. They don't care about him as a person because he will leave them alone and make the country a better place to live. As far as the 2016 vs. 2020 elections. The cheating that we saw in 2020 has been going on far longer than we realize. It was just so much worse in 2020 that it couldn't be hidden. Trump won in 2016 because they Elitists were complacent and didn't ramp up the cheating. MP> I disagree with that last bit. I know folks who don't like him as a MP> person who *might* have still voted for 2016 Trump, but won't now MP> because they are tired of what Trump "as a person" brings to the table, MP> and they don't care that most of it is because the "elite and ignorant" MP> are attacking him. Well, we'll find out in the next election. But I do agree that many people are getting tired of the political circuses. MP> There are a lot of people who will admit they were better off before MP> 2020 that cannot stand listening to Trump. I don't like listening to Trump either. He's an afwul public speaker. But I do like less gov't regulation, lower gas prices, lower taxes, etc. And I don't have to listen to Trump if I don't want to. MP> I talked to one just two MP> days ago. They apparently voted Trump before but, in their words, wish MP> he'd just shut up and stick to the issues. He probably would, if he wasn't buried in made up alligations. Remember that 90% of what he does is a response from the Elitists. The media is used to a Republican who shutdown when someone points at him and says "Racist!" Trump give it right back at them. If the Elitists would stop lying about him, Trump wouldn't give it right back. MP> This is true, but I see that on both sides of the spectrum. Oh, ya, that isn't a one side issue. That's why I keep saying that this is not a "right vs. left" or "Democrat vs. Republican" problem. Those are made up sides. There has always been a group of people who need to control others. They can never admit that they are wrong and they are in **every** group. MP> I agree, but I will also point out that some of those people who want MP> to be "left alone" believe that it is not the Democrats/left who are a MP> threat to their alternate, or non-religious, or even just plain MP> freeloading lifestyle. Oh, I know that. For a long time it was the religions trying to force their control. Other times it was other groups. Back to my comment about this not being a "right vs. left" problem above. MP> American has changed too much. America has been changing for the worst at least since the 1960's (and probably before that too) as the Elitists have infiltrated our instututions and turned them against us. MP> I agree there, unless folks have already made their minds up about one MP> of them. One thing about those ratings, though, is that it is MP> difficult to compare to the past because, in past, debates used to be MP> more widely available for viewing. This mostly internet-streaming age MP> is removing a lot of potential eyeballs.... which I think plays MP> directly into the hands of those who want more control. I think it's "6 of one, half dozen of the other". Control of the internet sites or control of the broadcast companies. It makes no difference. But I think I can argue that it's much harder to control internet sites. .... Mail your ideas written on the back of a $20 bill to... ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52 --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32) * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi (1:120/616) .