Subj : Re: Ride the Red Wave?
To   : RON L.
From : Mike Powell
Date : Fri Nov 10 2023 09:49:00

>  MP> I also believe that will be quite possible in 2024.

> They will find it hard to cheat bad enough, I think.  While it's possible I
> think it's improbable.  And the Elitists know too, based on what they are
> trying to push through the legislature.

The problem I see here is if they don't even cheat, and Trump doesn't win
(which I think is quite possible), everyone will assume that they did cheat
because die-hard Trump supporters believe he cannot be defeated and don't seem
to realize that his message does not resonate as well with others as it does
with them.

When he talks about his accomplishments (better economy, fewer
international issues, etc.), that resonates well with me (for example)
because I can see all of this and agree he did a *lot* better.  Biden has
given him plenty of (bad) examples to contrast with.

When he is busy name calling or reminding everyone that he only lost because
"they" cheated, it does not resonate with me as much.  I don't think the
personal attacks work, while the folks that are convinced there was rampant
cheating already know it -- and the folks who aren't convinced never will be.

If he continues as is, he is only preaching to his base... just like
Hillary did in 2016 and just like he did in 2020.  He needs to get back to
preaching to everyone, which is what won him the 2016 election.

> I will argue that most Trump supporters are quiet for fear of harassment
> by the Ignorant Elitists.  Also, I think that many people are Trump
upporters
> in that they know he will fix things, but don't like him as a person.  So
> they will vote for him in the election, but won't really talk about him.

I disagree with that last bit.  I know folks who don't like him as a person
who *might* have still voted for 2016 Trump, but won't now because they are
tired of what Trump "as a person" brings to the table, and they don't care
that most of it is because the "elite and ignorant" are attacking him.

There are a lot of people who will admit they were better off before 2020
that cannot stand listening to Trump.  I talked to one just two days ago.
They apparently voted Trump before but, in their words, wish he'd just shut
up and stick to the issues.

>  MP> ultimately vote for him if it comes down to him vs. Biden, I also know
>  MP> many, many people who will never vote for him (or won't again) even if
>  MP> it means voting for Biden or not at all.

> We have way too many people in this country who cannot handle the idea that
> they were wrong.

This is true, but I see that on both sides of the spectrum.

> I believe that the vast majority of people in the U.S. simply want to be left
> alone to live their lives and pursue what they enjoy.  But it has become
> extrememly appearant to most of us that there is a group of people in the
orl
> who have an overwhelming need to control other people.  So we can't sit back
> anymore and let the polticians play their games anymore.

I agree, but I will also point out that some of those people who want to be
"left alone" believe that it is not the Democrats/left who are a threat to
their alternate, or non-religious, or even just plain freeloading lifestyle.

American has changed too much.  If the USSR has been as involved in our
economy back in the 1980s as China is now, there'd have been near universal
outcry.  Now we are split enough that a threat to all of us is only seen as
such by maybe half of us.

>  MP> I personally
>  MP> believe the Republicans are more likely to win with a candidate that is
>  MP> less of a lightning-rod of their own making.

> Based on the ratings for the last GOP debate, that's not going to happen.

I agree there, unless folks have already made their minds up about one of
them.  One thing about those ratings, though, is that it is difficult to
compare to the past because, in past, debates used to be more widely
available for viewing.  This mostly internet-streaming age is removing a
lot of potential eyeballs.... which I think plays directly into the hands of
those who want more control.


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