Subj : GARLAND IMPEACHMENT To : IB Joe From : Lee Lofaso Date : Sun Jul 02 2023 10:20:07 Hello Joe, LL>> Trump was successfully impeached. Twice. In the same term. LL>> The crimes committed were outlined in the articles of impeachment. LL>> Trial was held in the Senate on each impeachment. IJ> Hen was impeached twice... I understand that... twice... House voted for it IJ> and all it takes is a simple majority to do so... Bill Clinton was also impeached. Once. As was Andrew Johnson. Once. IJ> Senate had a trial... twice, once for each impeachment.... The only POTUS ever to be put to trial twice. And in one term. All in due accordance with the US Constitution. IJ> and Twice the senate cleared him on all the allegations twice. Acquitted, not exonerated. LL>> According to the House all counts were acts of wrong doing, LL>> as outlined in the US Constitution. IJ> House can say whatever... No shit, Sherlock. House Rules. That is how the game is played. IJ> the reason there is a trial is so the house can prove those allegations... The House doesn't have to prove shit. All it has to do is make allegations. Point fingers and accuse. If a majority vote "Yes" the article is passed. Until all articles have been voted on. IJ> and they weren't proven and he was cleared twice by the senate. Nothing has to be proven. Trial is held by the Senate. If two thirds present vote to remove the president from office, it is done. That is the only question at issue. Trump was acquitted. Not exonerated. Acquitted meaning not removed from office. Reasons don't matter, as that question is irrelevant. LL>> Paul Manafort, campaign manager for Donald Trump. Convicted. And LL>> then later pardoned by Trump (as president). That is all the evidence LL>> needed to show collusion. IJ> Paul Manaford found guilty on charges Hunter should be charged for and IJ> isn't, so far. Paul Manafort was convicted of crimes committed before Trump became president. And pardoned by Trump when Trump was president. Hunter Biden never committed any serious crimes, much less treason. Only two misdemeanors, and one count of not registering a firearm in a timely manner (which will be expunged from his record). IJ> Paul Manaford was targeted for political reason and was pardoned because of IJ> the that. Presidents can pardon... that's what they do Paul Manafort was convicted of real crimes he committed during the time when Donald Trump was running for president. His ties with Russia were exposed at the time, and are a matter of record. IOW, Adam Schiff was right. There was collusion between Trump and Russia. No doubt about it. LL>> After the House impeached Trump, the Senate held trial. The bogus LL>> claim of 67 votes needed for removal from office is easy to refute, LL>> as the US Constitution says two thirds of those voting (present). LL>> Which could be any number of Senators, even a majority being absent. IJ> That's not true... By LAW all have to be present for the trial and vote... Nope. Article I, Section 3 "... no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present." There you go. In black and white. LL>> The prosecution made its case in the Senate, the defense never LL>> bothered to a rebuttal or response of any kind. Every Senator knew LL>> Trump was guilty of sin, and nobody wanted to embarrass themselves LL>> publicly by claiming otherwise. IJ> If the case was made they would have voted that way... I really do wish you would read the US Constitution. In the same Article I Section 3 it is clearly stated - "... Judgement in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office" - meaning the only question was whether or not to remove the president from office (regardless of reason or for no reason). IJ> but it wasn't and he was cleared. He was acquitted, not exonerated. The Senate did not have two thirds vote of those present to remove him from office. Doesn't matter whether he was guilty as sin or innocent as a lamb. The question was whether to remove him from office, or not. Not anything else. LL>> How, pray tell, does one go about to represent their cause correctly? IJ> Read the first amendment... Please answer the question. If you are able. LL>> Egging an angry mob onward to hang Mike Pence and assassinate LL>> Nancy Pelosi is a criminal act. Some would call it sedition. IJ> The only one egging people on was Ray Epp, a government plant. An angry mob wanted to hang Mike Pence, and assassinate Nancy Pelosi. That was on January 6, 2021 - with your beloved egging them on. LL>> Speaker McCarthy wants to expunge both of Trump's impeachments from LL>> the record. That makes you an enemy of the state. And you know what LL>> that means. IJ> It has been shown that the 1st impeachment was political, and IJ> unconstitutional... The Articles of Impeachment (in both impeachments) show criminal acts done by Donald J. Trump. The act of impeachment may be political, but the crimes he committed are criminal. IJ> Where as the second was the same... Yep. Criminal acts committed by the POTUS. He should have been removed from office by the Senate, but was protected by his MAGA nutjobs who were too scared of him to do anything else. IJ> This one was/is seen as unconstitutional because... Impeachment is unconstitutional??? Trial by Senate is unconstitutional??? My God, you are deluded! IJ> you don't impeach someone who is already out of office... Trump was impeached, both times, while he was in office. IJ> you impeach someone to remove them from office. You stupid doofus, the Senate removes bad eggs from office. Now go read your US Constitution. You can find it online if you do not have your own personal copy. IJ> Let McCarthy and the house vote... He won't let them. And they don't want to. Unless it is to impeach Joe Biden. In which case both Speaker McCarthy and his MAGA nutjobs will make an exception. IJ> make public why they believe what they believe and let public sour this IJ> out... What Republicans (MAGA nutjobs) are doing these days is gaslighting. Nothing more than that. Infected by Twitter (or Truth Social) it is by their own doing. Trump lost to Biden. Big time. Even though none of them wants to admit it. Especially Trump himself, who continues to spout The Big Lie despite his failure in the courts to overturn a legitiimate election. It's really too bad you have chosen to swallow their bait, being a mere pawn in their own game. One day you might grow out of it. But somehow I doubt it. IJ> BTW, you keep saying that Trump was impeached.... Twice. The only president in history who has managed that feat. And to think he did it in only one term. IJ> Had Trump actually been impeached he wouldn't be able to run in 2024... or IJ> even 2020 for that matter. Had he been impeached *and* removed from office then he would not be eligible to run for office. But that was not the case. IJ> House voted to impeach... Twice. IJ> Senate cleared him of all wrong doing... Acquitted, not exonerated. Words have meanings. I suggest you look them up. In a real dictionary. For Life, Lee -- As good as it looks --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb * Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2) .