Subj : Re: Muslims To : Dale Shipp From : Gregory Deyss Date : Sat Dec 24 2022 12:21:47 On 24 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following... DS> -=> On 12-23-22 01:13, Gregory Deyss <=- DS> -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=- DS> DS> DS> Just what do you mean by "these people"? I have doubts that you are DS> DS> limiting your statement to just the terrorists who commit such an act DS> DS> but expand it to all muslims. DS> DS> GD> How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, n DS> GD> alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner? DS> DS> And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"? That is not what I am saying, but you already knew that. What should be abundantly obvious was that there was no pause with these particular set of circumstances. It wouldn't be beyond the norm to stop and think about it. You have a foreigner in front of you making an inquiry w/ an interest to obtain flight training to fly a jet liner. rrrright... All kinds of bells should be going off within one head. Additionally, due to what has happened on 9/11 these types of flight instructions or flight school training inquiries should not be offered to just anyone individual making such a request. They should only be made available to those persons who have been sanctioned by an airline furthermore there should be a security procedure that would verify that this request is valid and legitimate and then should only be offered, once this compliance has been met. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the present day process that exists today. (What is extraordinary that I can see & imagine this to be the normal flow. Where you seem to have difficulty processing this type of normalcy, this is of course due to liberal way of thinking as it is interfering w/ commonsense. DS> DS> GD> No one checked their background histories before being allowed in the DS> GD> U.S.? DS> DS> Do you know that did not happen? Who would you cause to be checked. It's called clearance. DS> What we have here is a failure to understand. Your language implies that DS> you would put restrictions on all muslims. That is overkill. Next DS> would be all Catholics (because of the Oklahoma bombing). When would DS> the restrictions get to you and me? I do believe or at least I would like to think that the thought of these evil intentions would horrify most people and that most followers of Islam are peaceful, even kind and benevolent. A good read Violent and Non-Violent Extremism: Two Sides of the Same Coin? International Centre for Counter-Terrorism ICCT Research Paper May 2014 https://tinyurl.com/2tkb9xe6 DS> GD> Who is forcing anyone to live poor conditions w/ squalor and filth? DS> GD> Ham-stringed you say? It sounds like a convenient excuse that is all DS> GD> too often mentioned. I do not force people to live like this, they are DS> GD> as free to do as much or as little as they desire, just as I am. DS> Perhaps you as an individual do not, but for many society has put them DS> into a situation that is not easy to get out of. This is because people have something called an opinion, I would not refer to this with the use of the stronger word of "Judgment" due to it's implication that produces more of a permanent thought. It does make one wonder why someone can not rise or have the ability to improve themselves for what is known as a better tomorrow. DS> GD> You are talking like such peoples have a economic handicap. It may DS> GD> surprise you that people choose to live like this, where I do obvious DS> GD> not. why is that? DS> DS> Why do you think that they "choose"? I think that they are forced. And DS> it is not easy to work their way out of that situation. Why do I think that they choose, because it is all that they know, due to living in such places; this is called roots, the place where you grew up. It's familiar - what is wrong with that? I do however disagree and flat out find it disturbing that society is to be blamed for a certain lack of vision, and then to rally or to protest and sometimes with violence and rage. Logic would suggest that these are repeated poor choices are the cause and reasons as to why they have not supplied the best outcome. It is because one does not think things through. Therefore it does have more to do with the individual and it is not societies fault, [to suggest that] is a baseless blanket statement that does not fit nor is it kind to blame society for the problems of others, specially when there is the personal selection of "choice". .÷______ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ» ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ _[]_³³Äij³ ³TROY³ ³HUB³ ³ Fidonet ³ ³FSX Net³ ºS I N C Eº ³Another Message³ { NET 267 ³ ³ NY ³ ³800³ ³1:267/150³ ³21:1/127³ º 1 9 9 5 º ³ by Gregory ³ / 00ÄÄÄÄ00'Ù¨À0ÄÄ0Ù¨À0Ä0Ù¨ÀÄ00ÄÄÄ00ÄÙ¨ÀÄ00ÄÄ00ÄÙ¨ÈÍ00ÍÍÍ00ͼ¨ÀÄÄÄ00ÄÄÄÄÄÄ00ÄÄÙ --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/64) * Origin: Capital Station BBS * Telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org * (1:267/150) .