Subj : Communism
To   : JEFF THIELE
From : Mike Powell
Date : Sun Oct 30 2022 11:42:00

>  MP> >  MP> When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will,
>  MP> >  MP> people
>  MP> >  MP> who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't
>  MP> >  MP> communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."
>  MP> > State communism need not always lead to authoritarianism, just as democ
>  MP> > capitalism need not always lead to authoritarianism, as has been the ca
>  MP> > numerous instances.
>  MP> But yet it always has as most humans don't like the idea of giving up all
>  MP> of their freedom or beliefs.  So those people eventually have to be dealt
>  MP> with in order for state communism to be a "success."

> Communism doesn't require the "giving up" of all of one's freedoms or
> beliefs. That is a function of an authoritarian state, not a communist one.

In order to make communism work, all of your subjects/members/citizens must
participate.  Those that don't want to either have to give something up or
be forced out.

It can only work if it is authoritarian.

> It's mathematically impossible to be paid the full value of one's labor under
> capitalism.

That is true of any economic system, if you are one that puts their full
effort into their labor.  People who don't can indeed be paid the full
value, and maybe much more, of their labor under most any economic system.

>  MP> > People can enter into communism voluntarily.
>  MP> That is what I said?  If they can enter it voluntarily on those levels,
>  MP> why try to force it on everyone, i.e. why would it ever be necessary at a
>  MP> national level?
>
> There are US citizens who don't agree with our government. But we have to
> have one.

The difference being that you are free to not agree with them.  Under
communism, not so much.


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