Subj : Re: Cancel Culture stupid
To   : JEFF THIELE
From : Mike Powell
Date : Sat Oct 29 2022 10:05:00

>  MP> > What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles.
>  MP> > make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends wh
>  MP> > other people's money ends?
>  MP> When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will, people
>  MP> who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't really
>  MP> communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."

> State communism need not always lead to authoritarianism, just as democratic
> capitalism need not always lead to authoritarianism, as has been the case in
> numerous instances.

But yet it always has as most humans don't like the idea of giving up all
of their freedom or beliefs.  So those people eventually have to be dealt
with in order for state communism to be a "success."

>  MP> The problem is that most people don't want everything to belong to the
>  MP> collective or the state because they realize they will never get as much
>  MP> out of it as they are putting in it.

> They'll never get as much out of it as they're putting into it under
> capitalism, either. (And here we've switched from political systems to
> economic systems, just so you're aware). If workers got paid the true value
> of their labor, there would be no profits for the shareholders. Profit
> doesn't just appear from thin air.

Most of us are getting more out of it then we would a collective system.
Not all that you get out of something is monetary (see above).

>  MP> The ones who think it is good are
>  MP> the ones who won't be putting anything into it, which a true communist
>  MP> system will not put up with.

> Or the people who have realized that capitalism doesn't pay them their tryue
> worth.

Nothing ever will, especially if you are one that values your (lack of)
input over what it is really worth.

>  MP> > >   1: Kibbutz (Israel)
>  MP> > >   2: Monasteries (many religions)
>  MP> > >   3: Amish people (PA, USA)
>  MP> All three of his examples involve voluntary participation.  The first
>  MP> two, you agree to the rules before joining, and the third one you can
>  MP> leave if you don't like it.  None of them are state communism.

> People can enter into communism voluntarily.

That is what I said?  If they can enter it voluntarily on those levels, why
try to force it on everyone, i.e. why would it ever be necessary at a
national level?


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