Subj : Re: Many Democrat coups Against Trump
To   : Gregory Deyss
From : Jeff Thiele
Date : Fri Oct 14 2022 11:08:46

On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
 GD> First and foremost. 
 GD> When you don't like the evidence that has been supplied or you find it to
 GD> be too damming. What do you do?  
 GD> I DO see what it is that you are doing. You're doing the same thing that
 GD> your liberal leftist buddies do. 
 GD> You ignore the facts that have been presented in doing so your remark
 GD> them out or remove them. 
 GD> It does not work like that Jeff.

What you are claiming to be evidence is not evidence. It does not work like
that, Gregory.

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the "Obama campaign" spied on him. There
was no "Obama campaign" leading up to the 2016 election. How do we know?
Because Obama was not running for office in 2016. 

 GD> "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
 GD> inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the
 GD> state of facts and evidence" John Adams March 5, 1773

Something is not a fact just because you say it is. Present evidence.

 GD> JT> GD> JT> The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible e
 GD> JT> GD> JT> such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspe
 GD> JT> GD> JT> General report said as much.
 GD> https://tinyurl.com/uz853d46
 GD> CBS anchor Norah O'Donnell comes on the broadcast and one of the first
 GD> things that she says is "There is no evidence of political bias, that is
 GD> the conclusion of a hotly anticipated report of the start of the Russia
 GD> investigation that says the FBI didn't plot against President Trump but
 GD> the report uncovers serious flaws in the investigation."

That is not evidence of the Democrats spying on the Trump campaign. Did you
miss the part where you just quoted O'Donnell as saying that there is no
evidence of political bias?

 GD> William Barr also said "Clear that the FBI launched an intrusive
 GD> investigation on the thinest of suspensions." 

That is also not evidence of the Democrats spying on the Trump campaign.
Furthermore, William Barr also said that Trump's claims that there was
widespread election fraud were "bull$hit."

Also, Barr said "thinnest of suspicions," not "thinnest of suspensions."
That's exactly the kind of gaffe that you'd crucify Biden for.

 GD> Christopher Wray conceded that some of his employees made serious
 GD> mistakes and that he has ordered at least 40 steps of corrective action. 
 GD> The report also mentions fault in surveillance warrant applications with
 GD> 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the warrant request. The
 GD> report also criticized reliance on steele dossier used to justify parts
 GD> of the investigation stating that much of the information was
 GD> uncorroborated.

And yet, there is no evidence of political bias.

 GD> How can one say that There is no evidence of political bias when there
 GD> are obvious omissions of wrong turns within the investigation. To
 GD> suggest that there is no political bias would be a considered to be a
 GD> direct lie. The media might want to twist into their favor - w/ nothing
 GD> to see here. Due to the analysis of the facts it is clear that there was
 GD> political bias. This is why the media can not be trusted. 

You yourself presented a quoted Norah O'Donnell saying that there is no
evidence of political bias. The presence of mistakes does not automatically
imply political bias.

 GD> JT>  GD>  JT> The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the par

And again your message abruptly ends here.

Jeff.

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