Subj : Re: The America First mov To : Mike Powell From : Jeff Thiele Date : Tue Oct 11 2022 16:40:38 On 11 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following... MP> > What's the difference between "Make America Great" and "Make America Gre MP> > Again?" Look closely, can you spot it? That's right! The word "again!" MP> > What does "again" mean though? In this context, it means "like it was be MP> > at some unspecified point in the past." So we need to make America more MP> > it was before, but when? MP> > Would this be before the civil rights era? Do you feel that Americans we MP> > less divisive prior to the civil rights movement? MP> > When exactly was America great before? What is this time that you want t MP> > back to? MP> For most, it was when we produced most of what we consumed, before jobs MP> were shipped elsewhere. For most, they were not looking to travel back MP> in time on everything... only an idiot would want to go back to a time MP> to take away civil rights, and only an idiot would believe that a MP> significant number of people would want to. I suspect you don't really MP> believe that and only bring it up to make Aaron and other feel bad about MP> wanting to see American be a producer again. I can only guess that MP> producer scenario means that you wouldn't get whatever it is you want. We already have such a movement; it's called "Made in America." Why dredge up old grievances when a perfectly suitable slogan with no such baggage already exists? MP> Right now, it could even be any point between when Carter was President MP> and now... you know, when inflation was not at record levels? Much of that is due to circumstances beyond Biden's (and Trump's) control. Eventually it will recede, but my bet is that you'll still be wishing for some yesteryear. MP> I have seen some photos of MAGA folks with Confederate flags, but I have MP> never seen Trump campaign material that used it. I have seen MP> Clinton-Gore pins that used one as the motif. 1992 was supposedly long MP> after the "big shift" and, ironically, there were Democrats in 2008 and MP> again in 2016 that thought an HRC Presidency would be a return to those MP> Clinton-Gore times. I have not seen anything from Trump with that, either. And those buttons were not produced by the Clinton-Gore campaign, which is obvious since they do not have union "bugs," a small mark somewhere on them to show that they were made in a union shop. (Which gets us back to "Made in America;" much of the Trump campaign swag was made overseas.) I haven't seen any Clinton or Biden campaign material with confederate flags, nor have I seen any Confederate flags at any of their speeches or rallies. But Trump doesn't seem to mind them; certainly they know what people are bringing in with them. MP> It should make you wonder who is wanting to go back to what exactly, but MP> I bet it does not. I am not dumb enough to believe that any significant MP> number of them want to go back and strip away civil rights, either, but MP> I am not the one that supposed that, so.... Clarence Thomas is ready to go after contraception, gay rights, and same-sex marriage. When presented with the notion that Trump would win in 2020 if only men voted, people started calling for the right of women to vote to be repealed. These were Trump supporters, and presumably they bought into his MAGA fantasy. https://time.com/4529800/donald-trump-women-voters-2/ MP> IIRC, "Make American Great Again," was borrowed (and only slightly MP> changed) from a Bill Clinton campaign, either early 1992 or one of his MP> runs for governor. Being a "D" I am sure he is above reproach for MP> wanting to go back to some unspecified period in history for whatever MP> reason. The "Again" being the problematic part. Jeff. --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32) * Origin: Cold War Computing BBS (1:387/26) .