Subj : Re: Fundamentalists and P
To   : JEFF THIELE
From : Mike Powell
Date : Fri Sep 09 2022 18:14:00

>  MP> If we are going to expand the definition of anarchist to anyone who
>  MP> doesn't like the government and/or believes they have some soverignity
>  MP> from the government (which, since you claim you don't like
>  MP> authoritarianism, would include YOU), then we are casing an awful wide
>  MP> net and, yes, it most certainly would include right-wingers,
>  MP> left-wingers, and everything in between.

> You are attempting to change the definition of anarchists from people who do
> not accept the authority of the government or police (your original
> definition) to people who do not "like" the government. That's moving the
> goalposts. Cliven Bundy, Ammon Bundy, and "sovereign citizens" all have a
> refusal to accept the authority of government or the police in common.

No I am not trying to change it.  I am accusing others here of doing so.

Alan, for example, apparentlly believes that MAGA Republicans are
anarchists.  By definintion, a MAGA Republican wants Donald Trump to be
their President.  A President, by definition, is a head of state.  Persons
who want a head of state do not want "no government," which means they are
not anarchists.

IIRC, you yourself have mentioned conservatives who don't trust the
government during the anarchy discussion.  The government they don't seem
to trust is the current one.  I don't remember most of them having as many
issues when the government was being run by Trump, a Bush, Reagan, etc.

Not trusting the FBI <> not trusting the government as a whole.  The FBI
has a reputation of doing some backhanded things.

I am not certain that the persons you have listed are "conservatives."  I have
no doubt they are also not "liberals."  I do not know their beliefs about
government as a whole, only that they did indeed believe that the government
had no right to prevent them from being on/using the land in question.

There are more than a few people who wonder why the government owns so much
land out west, but I would not call them all anti-government or even
anti-authority.


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