Subj : Re: Not my President!
To   : Mike Powell
From : Jeff Thiele
Date : Sun Sep 04 2022 14:10:06

On 04 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
 MP> > And in the morning they accepted that. The talking heads on TV were just
 MP> > following the numbers in real-time.
 MP> No they did not, or we'd never heard the phrase "not my President!"

I already explained the nuance involved in that phrase.

 MP> >  MP> We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and s
 MP> >  MP> of
 MP> >  MP> the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win.  Others cam
 MP> >  MP> with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn
 MP> >  MP> win.
 MP> > I don't know anyone who thought that Trump didn't win. Hillary lost, and
 MP> > course there are reasons she lost. One of them might even have been the
 MP> > announcement of an FBI investigation right before the election.
 MP> I do.  I know some who spent those next four years arguing about it on
 MP> social media and, I would assume, in person.  I don't know about that
 MP> last bit because after seeing their daily meltdowns on social media, I
 MP> made sure to avoid them whenever possible.

Interesting. Anecdotal evidence, but I'll take your word for it.

 MP> >  MP> Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned
 MP> >  MP> Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not hi
 MP> >  MP> President.  I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democra
 MP> >  MP> the same level of grief.
 MP> > It's different because to the Democrats, at least the ones I know, "not 
 MP> > president" means "Yes, he's president, but I didn't vote for him and was
 MP> > hands of anything he does," whereas to people like Gregory, "not my
 MP> > president" means "He was fraudulently elected and is an illegitimate
 MP> > president." The difference is subtle, but see if you can spot it.
 MP> I don't doubt that is why Gregory thinks so.  As predicted, you are
 MP> giving your fellow Democrats a lot more leeway than you do Gregory.

Hillary won the popular election but lost in the electoral college. She then
conceded. There was never any widespread belief that she was actually the
winner.

Trump lost the popular election and in the electoral college. He did not
conceded. There was widespread belief on the right that he was actually the
winner, to the point of attacking the Capitol.  Although diminished, that
belief continues to this day.

The two events are hardly the same.

Jeff.

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