Subj : Notice To : Nicholas Boel From : mark lewis Date : Sat Feb 22 2014 08:55:00 On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, Nicholas Boel wrote to mark lewis: ml> *I* don't have a problem with it... others do... NB> Then why aren't "others" joining the conversation? maybe because we're in the OTHERNETS echo which isb't generally read because it has been nothing but repetitive robot postings for the most part of the last two decades?? the discussion really hasn't been on topic for this area anyway ;) NB> It only seems to be you for some odd reason. maybe because i scan through all areas that my systems carry... there's nothing like seeing the same messages 5 or 6 times over %| NB>> You're right. It's the sysop's choice. And myself (as a sysop), I NB>> choose to do it the way I want to do it. ml> agreed... but you and others putting logos and drawings in the DIZ ml> files are forcing other sysops to ml> 1. have to edit the file descriptions to clean them up. ml> or ml> 2. have crappy looking file descriptions ml> or ml> 3. delete the files NB> They do not have to do anything. It may look like crap somewhere, NB> but elsewhere it will look fine. It all depends on what software NB> the sysop chooses to use. not doing anything is doing something ;) everyone has to do something even if it is nothing... in this case, nothing would equate to possibly having crappy looking (wrapped or not) file descriptions... ml> hell, i spent 12 hours the other day having to edit file descriptions ml> on my system because so many came in with bad or truncated ml> descriptions... i still have several thousand more to do and just ml> thinking about it pisses me off... 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Supported protocols ar they look pretty crappy to me... they're not wrapped, either... they are too long and truncated... there's still roughly 1000 to fix in the one group... the really cruddy part is that some (maybe most) of them do have file_id.diz but they are broken dizes... they have *nix EOL (end of line) characters instead of the traditional format using CRLF (carriage return and line feed)... as such, they break database pretty badly and still require manual editing to fix them :( ml> making a choice to wrap descriptions is not having an 80's POV nor is ml> it using software that has not evolved... those are poor arguments... NB> Wrapping file_id.diz's shouldn't be done, period. file_id.diz's NB> were meant to be 45 characters wide. So any original file_id.diz actually, 45 characters or less in width... that's because 45 character width is what was set in one BBS software package for the column used to hold the files' descriptions... some systems allow for more width... some have to use less... my system allows be to choose what ever i want and to list the parts in any order i want... i could make the description come first if i wanted to... it is a simple template to edit... that's another reason why the specs were specified the way they were... it easliy allowed for re-wrapping since everything was all words or numbers and not drawings... but whatever... obviously i don't know or understand any of this because i was there when it was developed... ml> then why the hell did you try to bring the FTSC into the discussion??? NB> Because at the moment, you're doing something that an FTSC member NB> shouldn't be doing, and that's forcing your (and a very FEW NB> others) beliefs onto someone else. please tell me this is a joke and that you didn't make that rookie mistake of thinking that someone wears their hats all the time... i've not had my FTSC (or my NC) hat on at all in this discussion... i don't recall the FTSC having anything to do with the standard being discussed... i'm just an average joe sysop here... one who is, admittedly, quite peeved because of how his files areas look because of others' frak-ups... ml> it quoted robert's post and as such, it was a reply to robert's ml> post... i never tried to make it a problem and i certainly didn't want ml> the shit to go on as long as it has... once again, i only tried to ml> explain why the posted request was made... you bounced back in defense ml> instead of looking at the situation from other's points of view and ml> acknowledging the problem... NB> No. It was NOT a reply to Robert's post. you had to hit the [R]eply button to quote it, nick... it was a reply... NB> The message was (on purpose, mind you) directed to ALL. it doesn't matter who it was addressed to... followups, which some of your software can do, are also replies even though they are addressed by default to the same person the one being quoted was responding to... NB> He wants to stop releasing infopacks on his FDN, no he doesn't... his FDN is infopacks! he asked that people respect and follow the file_id.diz specs... if they cannot do that, /then/ he would not hatch their packs... ml> BTW: your system seems to be down again... web site is inaccessible ml> and so is your mailer... traceroutes reach your system IP, though... i ml> hope it isn't anything serious... NB> It wasn't, and is fixed now. Gentoo is getting an attitude with me, if i had a faster and more reliable way to let you know, i would have done so... i had not had any luck connecting since about 0500 my time IIRC... )\/(ark One of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. --Benjamin Franklin --- FMail/Win32 1.60 * Origin: (1:3634/12.71) .