Subj : IP only nodes with ICM flag
To   : Dan Clough
From : Michiel van der Vlist
Date : Sat Oct 11 2025 10:43:29

Hello Dan,

On Friday October 10 2025 14:48, you wrote to me:

 DC>>> Sounds like Z2C should be firing some people.

 MvV>>> Just firing people is not going to solve the problem. Finding
 MvV>>> replacements willing and able to do the job AND acceptable to
 MvV>>> all parties concerned in a country at war and partly occupied
 MvV>>> is next to impossible...

 MvV>> "next to impossible" != "impossible"

 DC> You're replying to what YOU said, not what I said.

I am clearyfing what I wrote in attempt to point out what you seemed to have missed. That clearyfication is addressed TO YOU.

 DC>> Okay, let's do nothing then.

 MvV>> Your idea, not mine.

 DC> Maybe all you Euro-boys are like this?  This sounds like the twisting,
 DC> redirecting, diversionary tactics of Beeeeeorn or Ward.

"Euro-boys"? "Beeeeeorn"?  If you are refering to the Fidonews Editor, his name is Björn. If you continue in this ad hominem way I will stop responding to you.

Other that that: it was YOU that wrote "let's do nothing", not me.

 DC>> If we're going to do nothing, why bother mentioning the disfunction
 DC>> at all?

 MvV>> I do not propose "we" do nothing.

 DC> Well, yes, you did.

No, I did not. I was merely pointing out some of the hurdles that are on he road, I did not write that we do nothing. You read what you wanted to read, not what was there.

 DC>> Doing nothing fixes nothing.

 MvV>> Then why propose it?

 DC> It was /sarcasm/.  I guessed you missed that.

Sarcasm is best avoided in a medium that crosses language barriers, Too easy to lose in translation.

 DC>> Firing people and *trying* to replace them may fix everything.

 MvV>> That's the wrong order. Replacements have to be found before
 MvV>> firing the ones in position.

 DC> No, they don't.  You lose nothing by firing non-existant people.  Fire
 DC> them and then offer the job to someone.

That does not work in Fidonet where jobs are linked to a chalm in a technical chain. Removing a region entry or replacing it with a non-functional dummy will break the nodelist.

 MvV>> Fixing the problem of a disfunctional RC is obviously the job of
 MvV>> the ZC.

 DC> Yup, as I said.  But he does nothing, as usual.

That you do not see it does not mean it is not there.

 DC> Perhaps he's the one that needs to be fired.

Firing the ZC does not solve the problem of a non functional RC.

 MvV>> I was just pointing out the hurdles in this particular
 MvV>> situation. Maybe the ZC could place the region in custody. For
 MvV>> starters he could remove the nets that are obviously dead. (4614
 MvV>> and 4624)

 DC> Sure, except for the fact that the ZC doesn't do his job.

Ever heard of silent diplomacy?

 MvV>> And move Moldova (net 469) out of region 46. It is not enirely
 MvV>> dead. The host is gone but 469/122 is still on-line. He could be
 MvV>> moved to Region 56. (Z2 catch all)

 DC> Sure, except..... well, you know.

No, I do not know.

 DC> I am just pointing out that there are TWO problems here - a
 DC> non-existant RC, and an (effectively) non-existant ZC.

ZC2 exists and responds to netmail.


Cheers, Michiel

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