Subj : 466/0 To : Michiel van der Vlist From : Stas Mishchenkov Date : Fri Jun 06 2025 14:22:18 Hi Michiel! Friday May 30 2025 12:18, you wrote to me: MvdV>>> But it is not entirely out of your control. To use the .ru TLD MvdV>>> for your host name is a choice. SM>> This is a strictly technically reasonable decision. MvdV> That is not how it is percieved... Why should I care about that if this is the most convenient technical solution for me and nodes of Crimean network? MvdV>>> You could use a neutral TLD like .org, .net or .com instead of MvdV>>> a country related TLD. SM>> Konstantin Kuzov 2:5019/40 is the host master of g0x.ru. I use the SM>> domain name for free. This is dynamic DNS. It is very well automated SM>> and updates take effect on other DNSes within a minute. Why should I SM>> refuse it? MvdV> It is not for me to decide of you should use it or not. Okay, we agree on that. MvdV> I am merely pointing out to you how you choice is perceived. To me MvdV> it looks like a political choice. There is no need to look for something in a purely technical document, as nodelist, that is not there and should not be there. MvdV> The fact that you claim to have the gift of bilocation - via your MvdV> node in Moscow - does not help either. This is a strictly technically reasonable decision also. It was agreed with R50C and N5020C. Physically, this node is also located on my home server, since shutting down this node due to Michael's departure from Fidonet would have caused a large number of problems not only for R50. MvdV> Plus that the location of node 460/16 is listed as MvdV> "Simferopol-Russia". I don't like it either, but it's the result of a very old tradition and it's not for me to break it. Each node makes its own line for the nodelist. Technically the line is perfect. It is not in my authority to force him to be politically correct. MvdV> Sotty, Simferopol is Cremea, not Russia. Don't tell me that is a MvdV> purely technical decision. Unfortunately, this really reflects the mood of this sysop. :( MvdV>>> I don't think there is much you can do about the country code MvdV>>> in the telephone number other than just drop it. Which may be MvdV>>> an option. SM>> It can't be an option for me. We have a PSTN out only node in our SM>> network to which I must to deliver mail. MvdV> I see no POTS only node in net 460... 2:460/16 is PSTN out only node. Besides, I have other PSTN only links. It would be wrong to provide his phone number if he cannot accept incoming connections. MvdV>>> The majority of Fidonet nodes is IP only. MvdV>>> Or at least do you need to advertise it in the nodelist? SM>> Yes. I must. MvdV> why? If it is only for that one pesumed POTS only node in net 460, it MvdV> can be dealt wuth by a private nodelist. I must accept any netmail for nodes in my network. SM>> In other side it is a good case to bring into accordance SM>> the nodelist with FPD MvdV> FPD?? 1.3.2 Geography Each level of FidoNet is geographically contained by the level immediately above it. A given geographic location is covered by one zone and one region within that zone, and is either in one network or not in a network. There are never two zones, two regions, or two networks which cover the same geographic area. If a node is in the area of a network, it should be listed in that network, not as an independent in the region. (The primary exception to this is a node receiving inordinate amounts of host-routed mail; see section 4.2). Network boundaries are based on calling areas as defined by the local -------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ telephone company. Even in the case of areas where node density is so great ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that more than one network is needed to serve one local calling area, a geo graphic guideline is used to decide which nodes belong to what network. Network membership is based on geographic or other purely technical rationale. ---------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is not based on personal or social factors. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SM>>>> It need to be sure that it is indeed a dead network, and not SM>>>> just that you have no connection to it. MvdV>>> Even in a county at war it should not have to take so long to MvdV>>> make reasonably sure a net is dead. SM>> Did you know how to be be sure under conditions of partial IP address SM>> blocking? MvdV> If the "partial IP blocking" makes the node unreachable fro inyone alse MvdV> then the node is unreachable and the nodelist should reflect that MvdV> reality. [15:23:24 brorabbit perl]$ cat ~/logs/callip.log 2025-06-06 15:22:49.489 callip.pl v.0.9.6.0. -c /home/fido/etc/callip.conf -b -s -f 2:467/70 2025-06-06 15:22:49.517 Finding last nodelist file from /home/fido/nodelist/nodelist.367. 2025-06-06 15:22:49.517 Last nodelist found at 0.000 seconds. 2025-06-06 15:22:49.569 Nodelist for Friday, June 6, 2025 -- Day number 157 parsed, 928 IP-nodes processed (0.052 sec) 2025-06-06 15:23:04.632 2:467/70 f70n467.asuscomm.com:24554 185.177.243.246 Error: Connection timed out 2025-06-06 15:23:24.145 2:467/0 f70n467.asuscomm.com:24554 185.177.243.246 Error: Connection timed out Should it be removed from the nodelist? MvdV>>> You will never have 100.00% certainty but that is not needed. SM>> It strongly needed. Any node is essential. MvdV> Gost nodes are not essential. What do you mean by that? MvdV>>> Time to clean up. One way or another. SM>> Propose the safe way. MvdV> There is no safe way. 100% safety is an illusion. But if you postpone MvdV> action for that reason, you will end up with ever moe garbage. Ok. Condoms are 98% safe. Suggest a 98% safe method. ;) Scientists consider that the percentage of reliability is 97%. Suggest a 97% safe method. Have a nice night. Stas Mishchenkov. --- Have You daily sexual life? Hide it proper from Your wife! ;) * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858) .