Subj : Re: Weekly nodelist report on noteworthy changes (238)
To   : Dieter Schauf
From : Wilfred van Velzen
Date : Wed Aug 31 2022 21:39:23

Hi Dieter,

On 2022-08-31 19:27:00, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>>> And how many of those are still operational? I still see a couple
 MvdV>>> of nodes that carry the X75 flag without any IP connectivity, but
 MvdV>>> how many of those are dead wood that should have been cleared out
 MvdV>>> long ago?

 WV>> Those are questions I can't answer.

 WV>> It is upto the *C's in R24 to find out, if they want to cleanup the
 WV>> nodelist segment...

 DS> That is how I see it too.

 DS> I don't really understand why ISDN is now a bar in the eye.

It's not directly about ISDN! It's about if nodes still exist, and are participating in the network. The likelyhood that an ISDN only node still exists is becoming more and more questionable. If nobody can connect to it, and the sysop can't be contacted to clarify this, they should be removed from the nodelist, just as any other node where this applies, ISDN only or not. But if there are regular connects with the ISDN only node, by all means keep it in the nodelist.

But there seems to lie the problem. Nobody in R24 knows the status of the ISDN only nodes, and there are no connects any more...

 DS> If we continue in this direction, I can foreseeably stamp my Node
 DS> 2452/250 because it runs under OS/2 and can therefore only do IPv4 and
 DS> at some point it will be claimed that IPv4 has no added value compared
 DS> to IPv6? And isn't Fido himself on his way to being considered a
 DS> dinosaur?

IPv4 vs IPv6 is a bad example. For most of the nodes in the nodelist that "only" list a host name you can't even tell if they support either. If a node can be connected to with the information that is listed in the nodelist, it doesn't matter if it uses IPv4 or IPv6 underneath. So as long as IPv4 still exists as a viable protocol on "the internet", there is no problem with IPv4 only nodes. And I don't think the current sysops in fidonet will live long enough to see the day without IPv4! ;)

 DS> I think we should end this discussion here, otherwise it will end in
 DS> depression :-)

It's not a discussion, it's a finding/establishing of facts.


Bye, Wilfred.

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